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Post #73,582 by mhuber 1/9/03 1:56:33 AM Reply	Nothing somebody else can't do... There probably isn't any artwork that can't be redone by someone else. It really is about just getting your ass in gear and doing it. Really. Even for old fashioned representational art. I do some nice carvings and people tell me I'm talented. Bullshit. I just put steel to wood and they didn't. Yes, I'm good at it. I've been doing it for about 10 years. I think with 10 years practice most people would be good. It just takes doing it. And when you do it first, that's special. I could also re-derive Special Relativity, and I'm not even a real physicist. Einstein only gets special mention because he did it without seeing somebody else do it first. Which was a bit of a challenge, to say the least. ---- Whatever
Post #73,759 by Ashton 1/9/03 6:01:31 PM Reply	Guernica ?? Rest [link\|http://www.pbs.org/treasuresoftheworld/a_nav/guernica_nav/main_guerfrm.html\| case]. (Marlowe - don't even bother.. It's too illogical for your 4004)
Post #73,766 by boxley 1/9/03 6:15:40 PM Reply	cartoon version of Hyronimous? I know I got the same stuff thrown at me when I first sampled a famous Chef's Chicken Cordon Bleu. "Hey" I went "malibu Chicken". thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] You think that you can trust the government to look after your rights? ask an Indian
Post #73,792 by deSitter 1/9/03 7:56:16 PM Reply	Re: Guernica ?? Well, I don't think Mike meant that there were no great artists - rather that craftsmanship was a personal option. Funny though, I always point to Picasso as the model for indelible creativity. His later things as he was fearing death are scary. The Uncreation horrified him. Then there are those bulls - the series that starts with actual snarling bull and ends with a network diagram for the bull. It's trippy just thinking about that one. -drl
Post #73,828 by mhuber 1/10/03 12:43:11 AM Reply	Re: Guernica ?? Well, a reasonably competent technician, having taken a good look at the piece, could produce something very, very similar. And it would mean jack. When Picasso did it, it was glorious. In fact, I remember him being quoted as answering the usual "my kid could do that" with "yes, but he didn't, I did." Could be a bogus quote, it wasn't well documented, but it works. There are great artists. The things they do are great, even if somebody else can later duplicate them. Picasso is an excellent example. His creativity and vision were off the map. His work often didn't make obvious use of his considerable technical skill, so in a lot of cases, yeah, my kid could do that. But unless he saw it first, my kid (or anybody else) wouldn't do that. Because nobody else would come up with that idea. It is the doing that counts. The "could" is nothing. ---- Whatever
Post #74,129 by Arkadiy 1/12/03 2:07:26 PM Reply	A reasonably competent technician could not paint the original. But anyone can pour paint over canvas. In modern art, it's not artefacts that are important, it's names. "Guernica" affects me no matter what - I don't have to figure out what the hell painter wanted me to feel. A half-finished question mark only affects those who know the name of the painter. -- We have only 2 things to worry about: That things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
Post #74,150 by deSitter 1/12/03 4:22:45 PM Reply	Re: A reasonably competent technician could not Well, I sort of agree - I never saw any point in something like Pollack. But PopArt is interesting. Art doesn't have to all be Bach in B minor. The guy who painted comic books blown up to enormous size (Roy Lichtenberg?) - that stuff is very interesting in person. A lot of modern art is about scale and context - the expression isn't all in the work itself. -drl
Post #74,159 by CRConrad 1/12/03 5:43:47 PM Reply	Only to older / better-educated Westerners, and you... ...and other people from the former Eastern bloc. To the typical young(-ish) Westerner, the name "Guernica" doesn't mean a shit. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #74,869 by Arkadiy 1/16/03 10:18:37 AM Reply	That was exactly my point You don't have to know that Guernica was the first town bombed to dust from the air. Just look at the painting. -- We have only 2 things to worry about: That things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
Post #74,956 by CRConrad 1/16/03 6:18:19 PM Reply	Sorry, I read it the exact other way around. Arkadiy writes: You don't have to know that Guernica was the first town bombed to dust from the air. Just look at the painting. Heh, heh... And here I took your: In modern art, it's not artefacts that are important, it's names. "Guernica" affects me no matter what - I don't have to figure out what the hell painter wanted me to feel. ...to mean: In modern art, it's not artefacts that are important, it's names. "Guernica" affects me no matter what - even if I can't figure out what the hell painter wanted me to feel, the name tells me that. ! :-) And, honestly, I can't recall right now what the painting looks like -- but from what little I do remember of Pablo's style, and the "ease" of seeing what it's supposed to be, not being able to "figure out what the hell painter wanted me to feel" seems very reasonable to me. Are you sure he couldn't just as well have called it "Midnight in the Clock Factory", and just as credibly claimed that that was what it represented? [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #75,101 by Arkadiy 1/17/03 10:36:18 AM Reply	Rather sinister for a clock factory... You must really be scared of time. Are you afraid to get old and die a painful, horrible, undignified death? See where it takes us? -- We have only 2 things to worry about: That things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
Post #75,109 by deSitter 1/17/03 11:28:32 AM Reply	Re: Rather sinister for a clock factory... Funny, Picasso was "scared of time". [image\|http://www.ze-card.com/images/picasso/picasso36.jpg\|\|\|320\|246] Self-portrait facing Death - 1972 -drl
Post #75,105 by Another Scott 1/17/03 10:49:24 AM Reply	Picasso's Guernica [image\|http://www.grnica.swinternet.co.uk/guernica.jpg\|0\|Image\|241\|540] It's a powerful image. It's black and white in the original. Although it's hard to see here: Notice the pointy tongues - it's an interesting way to indicate screams of agony. Cheers, Scott.
Post #75,111 by deSitter 1/17/03 11:30:11 AM Reply	Re: Picasso's Guernica It's also enormous, with lots of details that are hard to appreciate in a print or a small image. More details: [link\|http://www.grnica.swinternet.co.uk/\|http://www.grnica.swinternet.co.uk/] -drl
Post #75,121 by CRConrad 1/17/03 11:49:30 AM Reply	Thanks! But, yup, it's as I thought: The only thing that tells me it's about that Spanish town wot we bombed(), is... the name. Dang, the picture(+) looks more like it oughta be called "Accident At The Corrida", or "For Once, The Bulls Get To Win", or something. (): The Generalissimo didn't do it on his own, right? We had some new planes to test at the time, IIRC... (+): What little I can make out from that JPEG -- but that refreshed my memory; it seems to be as I remembered it after all. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #75,126 by deSitter 1/17/03 11:56:15 AM Reply	JU-87 Stuka [link\|http://lemairesoft.digitalrice.com/engins2/1120.html\|http://lemairesoft.d...engins2/1120.html] Not a very good airplane, but effective against defenseless civilians. -drl
Post #75,175 by Arkadiy 1/17/03 2:49:32 PM Reply	Not about Guernica About terror and pain. Nobody in the painting looks like he/she/it is winning. And, as I look at the uplifted heads, I think "death from above". Maybe Sodom and Gomorrah. Maybe Hiroshima (but what's with the bull?). May be Baghdad in a few month, if we really fuck up. -- We have only 2 things to worry about: That things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.

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