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Post #73,022

by static

1/6/03 5:48:25 PM

You have the heart of it.

I've been in a position where the network administrators trusted me to do things for myself that they should do. But I only ever needed to call on them when I had a problem beyond my control (e.g. with a server). If we'd been unionised, they wouldn't have been able to grant me that. Which was exactly the problem you cited.

Wade.

Microsoft are clearly boiling the frogs.

H-1B Reform / IT Union - (JayMehaffey) - (80) - Jan. 3, 2003, 05:13:50 PM EST

should be IBEW INHO that would handle retirement - (boxley) - Jan. 3, 2003, 05:28:03 PM EST

Good point about nervousness of real AFL/CIO motives. - (a6l6e6x) - Jan. 3, 2003, 05:44:35 PM EST

Why? Labor is labor. -NT - (deSitter) - (31) - Jan. 3, 2003, 10:22:40 PM EST

Why what? - (JayMehaffey) - (30) - Jan. 3, 2003, 11:04:42 PM EST

Better a bad union, than no union at all. - (orion) - (29) - Jan. 3, 2003, 11:11:56 PM EST

imnsho, no union is a good union. -NT - (jbrabeck) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2003, 07:01:40 AM EST

Yup, let's go back to the days before unions. - (imric) - Jan. 4, 2003, 09:39:00 AM EST

Beg to differ. - (hnick) - (6) - Jan. 4, 2003, 09:21:10 AM EST

I did it myself - (orion) - (5) - Jan. 4, 2003, 01:43:13 PM EST

How about? - (gdaustin) - (4) - Jan. 5, 2003, 10:16:55 AM EST

Yes I agree - (orion) - (3) - Jan. 5, 2003, 02:43:29 PM EST

Dreamers.... - (gdaustin) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:26:23 PM EST

A question for you - (lincoln) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:29:09 AM EST

Visit this website - (orion) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:37:08 AM EST

My experiences with the Union - (bluke) - (19) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:14:24 AM EST

Duplicate post. @#$@#&% computer! -NT - (jbrabeck) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:20:24 AM EST

Similiar - (jbrabeck) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:19:40 AM EST

Was it at least all the same union? - (bbronson) - (5) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:31:10 AM EST

reminds me of the storey between the Raj - (boxley) - (4) - Jan. 5, 2003, 12:24:52 PM EST

Henry Ford - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Jan. 7, 2003, 06:22:37 PM EST

Fucking OF COURSE! - (deSitter) - (2) - Jan. 7, 2003, 07:45:56 PM EST

Prisoners dilema - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Jan. 8, 2003, 03:44:00 AM EST

Nice Exposition of PD - (deSitter) - Jan. 8, 2003, 11:21:35 AM EST

Good examples - (imric) - (10) - Jan. 5, 2003, 10:34:35 AM EST

Sanity at last - but.. - (deSitter) - (9) - Jan. 5, 2003, 11:42:55 AM EST

Empty? - (imric) - (7) - Jan. 5, 2003, 01:02:50 PM EST

Re: Empty? - (deSitter) - (6) - Jan. 5, 2003, 02:19:27 PM EST

Here - (broomberg) - (4) - Jan. 5, 2003, 05:33:05 PM EST

BAHAHAHA - (deSitter) - (3) - Jan. 5, 2003, 05:58:27 PM EST

Frog in the pot; works repeatedly via ego blindness - (Ashton) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:44:09 PM EST

Exactly - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:40:02 AM EST

'Shirking' not my point - (imric) - Jan. 6, 2003, 11:15:56 AM EST

The problem is imagining that Unions - (imric) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:54:15 PM EST

At what cost??? - (bluke) - Jan. 6, 2003, 03:28:01 AM EST

All it means to me - (orion) - Jan. 3, 2003, 11:09:17 PM EST

We beat this to death - (broomberg) - (11) - Jan. 4, 2003, 12:35:48 PM EST

So? The issue keeps coming up - (deSitter) - (10) - Jan. 5, 2003, 11:44:36 AM EST

Nahh - (broomberg) - (9) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:01:29 PM EST

Right! - (deSitter) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:40:15 PM EST

Uh, I don't get this: - (CRConrad) - (7) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:43:13 PM EST

Yup - (broomberg) - (6) - Jan. 5, 2003, 07:32:06 PM EST

So you're assuming the second category doesn't need a union? -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 07:36:08 PM EST

Yup - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 07:42:39 PM EST

Only if - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:20:55 PM EST

But it's appropriate - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:41:30 PM EST

Yup - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:36:37 PM EST

Try it - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:44:47 PM EST

H1-B Problem Taking Care of Itself - (gdaustin) - (31) - Jan. 4, 2003, 01:16:26 PM EST

Mostly cost pressure - (bluke) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:06:55 AM EST

Wrong - (deSitter) - (21) - Jan. 5, 2003, 11:48:10 AM EST

Is that really your dream? - (Arkadiy) - (19) - Jan. 5, 2003, 03:00:37 PM EST

A dream shared - (orion) - Jan. 5, 2003, 03:04:24 PM EST

Re: Is that really your dream? - (deSitter) - (17) - Jan. 5, 2003, 03:13:21 PM EST

Unions kill productivity in many ways - (bluke) - (15) - Jan. 6, 2003, 03:45:17 AM EST

Bad example - (broomberg) - (14) - Jan. 6, 2003, 06:38:21 AM EST

Duplicate post - ignore -NT - (bluke) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:26:33 AM EST

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! sorry couldnt help it - (boxley) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:36:09 AM EST

Not really ... - (bluke) - (11) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:18:12 AM EST

But remember this - (orion) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:34:12 AM EST

You have the heart of it. - (static) - Jan. 6, 2003, 05:48:25 PM EST

Actually, there are ways around their rigid rules - (tonytib) - (8) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:21:05 PM EST

How about we split the difference - (orion) - (6) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:41:39 PM EST

Nice thought but unfeasible - (hnick) - (5) - Jan. 7, 2003, 07:29:51 AM EST

Re: Nice thought but unfeasible - (orion) - (4) - Jan. 8, 2003, 07:03:25 AM EST

Oh good, you mostly agree with me - (hnick) - (3) - Jan. 8, 2003, 07:45:22 AM EST

Vote with your feet? - (orion) - (2) - Jan. 8, 2003, 09:29:35 AM EST

Nothing is intolerable until you have a choice. - (hnick) - (1) - Jan. 9, 2003, 07:17:20 AM EST

Re: Nothing is intolerable until you have a choice. - (orion) - Jan. 9, 2003, 09:23:59 AM EST

Yes, the word Union blinds to - the possibilities in '02+ -NT - (Ashton) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:24:33 PM EST

Re: Is that really your dream? - (Arkadiy) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:37:22 AM EST

But, Greed is good... - (gdaustin) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:12:36 PM EST

I disagree. A compromise needed - (tablizer) - (7) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:42:58 PM EST

Re: I disagree. A compromise needed - (gdaustin) - (5) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:26:59 PM EST

And what if they really can do the job ... - (bluke) - (3) - Jan. 6, 2003, 03:58:27 AM EST

One of the major development costs is communication overhead - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Jan. 6, 2003, 08:35:36 AM EST

Believe me I know ... - (bluke) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:22:27 AM EST

Sounds like we are on the same page then - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 6, 2003, 02:47:59 PM EST

Corporate lying, not individuals - (tablizer) - Jan. 8, 2003, 02:27:44 AM EST

Your COBOL vs Java example is flawed - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:36:30 PM EST

interesting note on HB1 my interview is with a HB1 supplier - (boxley) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:39:32 PM EST

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