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Post #72,879
by bluke
1/6/03 10:05:49 AM
1/6/03 10:22:27 AM
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New Believe me I know ...
It is not easy coordinating meetings between Israel (GMT +2), India (GMT +5.5) and California (GMT -8). There is no question that it requires alot of coordination and procedures. However, I have found that if both sides are willing to make the effort not only can it work, but you get the advantages of people working almost around the clock.

It clearly also depends on the kind of work that you do. If you are writing user business applications, it makes alot of sense for the development team to be near the users and have alot of interaction with them. My team, does system level/middleware type work which doesn't require nearly as much user interaction. This kind of work can be done in a remote location much easier.
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Post #72,973
by ben_tilly
1/6/03 2:47:59 PM
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New Sounds like we are on the same page then
I just think that it is a far bigger issue than most PHBs realize.

That said, there are three fundamental issues. The first is the principle of relative advantage. If some kinds of development can be done more easily locally than remotely, and some more easily remotely than locally, then economic theory predicts that we are both better off in the long run by trading - no matter what our relative absolute costs are. The second issue is that that economic theory ignores the inevitable pain of dislocations. While on the whole we are all better, internally on our side there will be winners and losers - and it sucks to be a loser. The third issue is that a large part of the US lifestyle probably is unsustainable long-term. The coming acceptance of this fact is not something to look forward to...

Cheers,
Ben
"Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly."
- [link|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html|Walter Mead]
     H-1B Reform / IT Union - (JayMehaffey) - (80) - Jan. 3, 2003, 05:13:50 PM EST
         should be IBEW INHO that would handle retirement - (boxley) - Jan. 3, 2003, 05:28:03 PM EST
         Good point about nervousness of real AFL/CIO motives. - (a6l6e6x) - Jan. 3, 2003, 05:44:35 PM EST
         Why? Labor is labor. -NT - (deSitter) - (31) - Jan. 3, 2003, 10:22:40 PM EST
             Why what? - (JayMehaffey) - (30) - Jan. 3, 2003, 11:04:42 PM EST
                 Better a bad union, than no union at all. - (orion) - (29) - Jan. 3, 2003, 11:11:56 PM EST
                     imnsho, no union is a good union. -NT - (jbrabeck) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2003, 07:01:40 AM EST
                         Yup, let's go back to the days before unions. - (imric) - Jan. 4, 2003, 09:39:00 AM EST
                     Beg to differ. - (hnick) - (6) - Jan. 4, 2003, 09:21:10 AM EST
                         I did it myself - (orion) - (5) - Jan. 4, 2003, 01:43:13 PM EST
                             How about? - (gdaustin) - (4) - Jan. 5, 2003, 10:16:55 AM EST
                                 Yes I agree - (orion) - (3) - Jan. 5, 2003, 02:43:29 PM EST
                                     Dreamers.... - (gdaustin) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:26:23 PM EST
                                         A question for you - (lincoln) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:29:09 AM EST
                                             Visit this website - (orion) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:37:08 AM EST
                     My experiences with the Union - (bluke) - (19) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:14:24 AM EST
                         Duplicate post. @#$@#&% computer! -NT - (jbrabeck) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:20:24 AM EST
                         Similiar - (jbrabeck) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:19:40 AM EST
                         Was it at least all the same union? - (bbronson) - (5) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:31:10 AM EST
                             reminds me of the storey between the Raj - (boxley) - (4) - Jan. 5, 2003, 12:24:52 PM EST
                                 Henry Ford - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Jan. 7, 2003, 06:22:37 PM EST
                                     Fucking OF COURSE! - (deSitter) - (2) - Jan. 7, 2003, 07:45:56 PM EST
                                         Prisoners dilema - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Jan. 8, 2003, 03:44:00 AM EST
                                             Nice Exposition of PD - (deSitter) - Jan. 8, 2003, 11:21:35 AM EST
                         Good examples - (imric) - (10) - Jan. 5, 2003, 10:34:35 AM EST
                             Sanity at last - but.. - (deSitter) - (9) - Jan. 5, 2003, 11:42:55 AM EST
                                 Empty? - (imric) - (7) - Jan. 5, 2003, 01:02:50 PM EST
                                     Re: Empty? - (deSitter) - (6) - Jan. 5, 2003, 02:19:27 PM EST
                                         Here - (broomberg) - (4) - Jan. 5, 2003, 05:33:05 PM EST
                                             BAHAHAHA - (deSitter) - (3) - Jan. 5, 2003, 05:58:27 PM EST
                                                 Frog in the pot; works repeatedly via ego blindness - (Ashton) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:44:09 PM EST
                                                     Exactly - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:40:02 AM EST
                                                         'Shirking' not my point - (imric) - Jan. 6, 2003, 11:15:56 AM EST
                                         The problem is imagining that Unions - (imric) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:54:15 PM EST
                                 At what cost??? - (bluke) - Jan. 6, 2003, 03:28:01 AM EST
         All it means to me - (orion) - Jan. 3, 2003, 11:09:17 PM EST
         We beat this to death - (broomberg) - (11) - Jan. 4, 2003, 12:35:48 PM EST
             So? The issue keeps coming up - (deSitter) - (10) - Jan. 5, 2003, 11:44:36 AM EST
                 Nahh - (broomberg) - (9) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:01:29 PM EST
                     Right! - (deSitter) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:40:15 PM EST
                     Uh, I don't get this: - (CRConrad) - (7) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:43:13 PM EST
                         Yup - (broomberg) - (6) - Jan. 5, 2003, 07:32:06 PM EST
                             So you're assuming the second category doesn't need a union? -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 07:36:08 PM EST
                                 Yup - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 07:42:39 PM EST
                             Only if - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:20:55 PM EST
                                 But it's appropriate - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:41:30 PM EST
                             Yup - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:36:37 PM EST
                                 Try it - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:44:47 PM EST
         H1-B Problem Taking Care of Itself - (gdaustin) - (31) - Jan. 4, 2003, 01:16:26 PM EST
             Mostly cost pressure - (bluke) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:06:55 AM EST
             Wrong - (deSitter) - (21) - Jan. 5, 2003, 11:48:10 AM EST
                 Is that really your dream? - (Arkadiy) - (19) - Jan. 5, 2003, 03:00:37 PM EST
                     A dream shared - (orion) - Jan. 5, 2003, 03:04:24 PM EST
                     Re: Is that really your dream? - (deSitter) - (17) - Jan. 5, 2003, 03:13:21 PM EST
                         Unions kill productivity in many ways - (bluke) - (15) - Jan. 6, 2003, 03:45:17 AM EST
                             Bad example - (broomberg) - (14) - Jan. 6, 2003, 06:38:21 AM EST
                                 Duplicate post - ignore -NT - (bluke) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:26:33 AM EST
                                     HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! sorry couldnt help it - (boxley) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:36:09 AM EST
                                 Not really ... - (bluke) - (11) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:18:12 AM EST
                                     But remember this - (orion) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:34:12 AM EST
                                     You have the heart of it. - (static) - Jan. 6, 2003, 05:48:25 PM EST
                                     Actually, there are ways around their rigid rules - (tonytib) - (8) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:21:05 PM EST
                                         How about we split the difference - (orion) - (6) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:41:39 PM EST
                                             Nice thought but unfeasible - (hnick) - (5) - Jan. 7, 2003, 07:29:51 AM EST
                                                 Re: Nice thought but unfeasible - (orion) - (4) - Jan. 8, 2003, 07:03:25 AM EST
                                                     Oh good, you mostly agree with me - (hnick) - (3) - Jan. 8, 2003, 07:45:22 AM EST
                                                         Vote with your feet? - (orion) - (2) - Jan. 8, 2003, 09:29:35 AM EST
                                                             Nothing is intolerable until you have a choice. - (hnick) - (1) - Jan. 9, 2003, 07:17:20 AM EST
                                                                 Re: Nothing is intolerable until you have a choice. - (orion) - Jan. 9, 2003, 09:23:59 AM EST
                                         Yes, the word Union blinds to - the possibilities in '02+ -NT - (Ashton) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:24:33 PM EST
                         Re: Is that really your dream? - (Arkadiy) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:37:22 AM EST
                 But, Greed is good... - (gdaustin) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:12:36 PM EST
             I disagree. A compromise needed - (tablizer) - (7) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:42:58 PM EST
                 Re: I disagree. A compromise needed - (gdaustin) - (5) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:26:59 PM EST
                     And what if they really can do the job ... - (bluke) - (3) - Jan. 6, 2003, 03:58:27 AM EST
                         One of the major development costs is communication overhead - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Jan. 6, 2003, 08:35:36 AM EST
                             Believe me I know ... - (bluke) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:22:27 AM EST
                                 Sounds like we are on the same page then - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 6, 2003, 02:47:59 PM EST
                     Corporate lying, not individuals - (tablizer) - Jan. 8, 2003, 02:27:44 AM EST
                 Your COBOL vs Java example is flawed - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:36:30 PM EST
         interesting note on HB1 my interview is with a HB1 supplier - (boxley) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:39:32 PM EST

In conclusion, lithium in the water supply.
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