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Post #72,801 by deSitter 1/5/03 8:36:37 PM Reply	Yup Well, there are journeyman electricians, and there are 30 year masters. They belong to the same union. Some put in runway lights all over the country/world, others rig a dome light in the shitter. It's electrical work. I claim that IT work is identifiable enough to be treated the same way. -drl
Post #72,806 by broomberg 1/5/03 8:44:47 PM Reply	Try it Give a list of identifiable skills and and what you consider their value, and compare against electricians. Also, make sure you list what each is allowed to do so they don't step into another's territory.

H-1B Reform / IT Union - (JayMehaffey) - (80) - Jan. 3, 2003, 05:13:50 PM EST

should be IBEW INHO that would handle retirement - (boxley) - Jan. 3, 2003, 05:28:03 PM EST

Good point about nervousness of real AFL/CIO motives. - (a6l6e6x) - Jan. 3, 2003, 05:44:35 PM EST

Why? Labor is labor. -NT - (deSitter) - (31) - Jan. 3, 2003, 10:22:40 PM EST

Why what? - (JayMehaffey) - (30) - Jan. 3, 2003, 11:04:42 PM EST

Better a bad union, than no union at all. - (orion) - (29) - Jan. 3, 2003, 11:11:56 PM EST

imnsho, no union is a good union. -NT - (jbrabeck) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2003, 07:01:40 AM EST

Yup, let's go back to the days before unions. - (imric) - Jan. 4, 2003, 09:39:00 AM EST

Beg to differ. - (hnick) - (6) - Jan. 4, 2003, 09:21:10 AM EST

I did it myself - (orion) - (5) - Jan. 4, 2003, 01:43:13 PM EST

How about? - (gdaustin) - (4) - Jan. 5, 2003, 10:16:55 AM EST

Yes I agree - (orion) - (3) - Jan. 5, 2003, 02:43:29 PM EST

Dreamers.... - (gdaustin) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:26:23 PM EST

A question for you - (lincoln) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:29:09 AM EST

Visit this website - (orion) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:37:08 AM EST

My experiences with the Union - (bluke) - (19) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:14:24 AM EST

Duplicate post. @#$@#&% computer! -NT - (jbrabeck) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:20:24 AM EST

Similiar - (jbrabeck) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:19:40 AM EST

Was it at least all the same union? - (bbronson) - (5) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:31:10 AM EST

reminds me of the storey between the Raj - (boxley) - (4) - Jan. 5, 2003, 12:24:52 PM EST

Henry Ford - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Jan. 7, 2003, 06:22:37 PM EST

Fucking OF COURSE! - (deSitter) - (2) - Jan. 7, 2003, 07:45:56 PM EST

Prisoners dilema - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Jan. 8, 2003, 03:44:00 AM EST

Nice Exposition of PD - (deSitter) - Jan. 8, 2003, 11:21:35 AM EST

Good examples - (imric) - (10) - Jan. 5, 2003, 10:34:35 AM EST

Sanity at last - but.. - (deSitter) - (9) - Jan. 5, 2003, 11:42:55 AM EST

Empty? - (imric) - (7) - Jan. 5, 2003, 01:02:50 PM EST

Re: Empty? - (deSitter) - (6) - Jan. 5, 2003, 02:19:27 PM EST

Here - (broomberg) - (4) - Jan. 5, 2003, 05:33:05 PM EST

BAHAHAHA - (deSitter) - (3) - Jan. 5, 2003, 05:58:27 PM EST

Frog in the pot; works repeatedly via ego blindness - (Ashton) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:44:09 PM EST

Exactly - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:40:02 AM EST

'Shirking' not my point - (imric) - Jan. 6, 2003, 11:15:56 AM EST

The problem is imagining that Unions - (imric) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:54:15 PM EST

At what cost??? - (bluke) - Jan. 6, 2003, 03:28:01 AM EST

All it means to me - (orion) - Jan. 3, 2003, 11:09:17 PM EST

We beat this to death - (broomberg) - (11) - Jan. 4, 2003, 12:35:48 PM EST

So? The issue keeps coming up - (deSitter) - (10) - Jan. 5, 2003, 11:44:36 AM EST

Nahh - (broomberg) - (9) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:01:29 PM EST

Right! - (deSitter) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:40:15 PM EST

Uh, I don't get this: - (CRConrad) - (7) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:43:13 PM EST

Yup - (broomberg) - (6) - Jan. 5, 2003, 07:32:06 PM EST

So you're assuming the second category doesn't need a union? -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 07:36:08 PM EST

Yup - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 07:42:39 PM EST

Only if - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:20:55 PM EST

But it's appropriate - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:41:30 PM EST

Yup - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:36:37 PM EST

Try it - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:44:47 PM EST

H1-B Problem Taking Care of Itself - (gdaustin) - (31) - Jan. 4, 2003, 01:16:26 PM EST

Mostly cost pressure - (bluke) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:06:55 AM EST

Wrong - (deSitter) - (21) - Jan. 5, 2003, 11:48:10 AM EST

Is that really your dream? - (Arkadiy) - (19) - Jan. 5, 2003, 03:00:37 PM EST

A dream shared - (orion) - Jan. 5, 2003, 03:04:24 PM EST

Re: Is that really your dream? - (deSitter) - (17) - Jan. 5, 2003, 03:13:21 PM EST

Unions kill productivity in many ways - (bluke) - (15) - Jan. 6, 2003, 03:45:17 AM EST

Bad example - (broomberg) - (14) - Jan. 6, 2003, 06:38:21 AM EST

Duplicate post - ignore -NT - (bluke) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:26:33 AM EST

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! sorry couldnt help it - (boxley) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:36:09 AM EST

Not really ... - (bluke) - (11) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:18:12 AM EST

But remember this - (orion) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:34:12 AM EST

You have the heart of it. - (static) - Jan. 6, 2003, 05:48:25 PM EST

Actually, there are ways around their rigid rules - (tonytib) - (8) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:21:05 PM EST

How about we split the difference - (orion) - (6) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:41:39 PM EST

Nice thought but unfeasible - (hnick) - (5) - Jan. 7, 2003, 07:29:51 AM EST

Re: Nice thought but unfeasible - (orion) - (4) - Jan. 8, 2003, 07:03:25 AM EST

Oh good, you mostly agree with me - (hnick) - (3) - Jan. 8, 2003, 07:45:22 AM EST

Vote with your feet? - (orion) - (2) - Jan. 8, 2003, 09:29:35 AM EST

Nothing is intolerable until you have a choice. - (hnick) - (1) - Jan. 9, 2003, 07:17:20 AM EST

Re: Nothing is intolerable until you have a choice. - (orion) - Jan. 9, 2003, 09:23:59 AM EST

Yes, the word Union blinds to - the possibilities in '02+ -NT - (Ashton) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:24:33 PM EST

Re: Is that really your dream? - (Arkadiy) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:37:22 AM EST

But, Greed is good... - (gdaustin) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:12:36 PM EST

I disagree. A compromise needed - (tablizer) - (7) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:42:58 PM EST

Re: I disagree. A compromise needed - (gdaustin) - (5) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:26:59 PM EST

And what if they really can do the job ... - (bluke) - (3) - Jan. 6, 2003, 03:58:27 AM EST

One of the major development costs is communication overhead - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Jan. 6, 2003, 08:35:36 AM EST

Believe me I know ... - (bluke) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:22:27 AM EST

Sounds like we are on the same page then - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 6, 2003, 02:47:59 PM EST

Corporate lying, not individuals - (tablizer) - Jan. 8, 2003, 02:27:44 AM EST

Your COBOL vs Java example is flawed - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:36:30 PM EST

interesting note on HB1 my interview is with a HB1 supplier - (boxley) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:39:32 PM EST

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