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Post #72,794
by JayMehaffey
1/5/03 8:20:55 PM
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New Only if
The supply and demand sorta even out only if the managers are rational about how important the programmers are to the company.

I've seen more then one project go down in flames because the company wouldn't give key techincal people raises. This causes the smart people to jump ship, and then the managers are amazed that the $10 dollar an our VB programmers they hired can't build a high performance web server.

Jay
Post #72,803
by broomberg
1/5/03 8:41:30 PM
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New But it's appropriate
If management can't judge the value of the employees, then the business deserves to die.
     H-1B Reform / IT Union - (JayMehaffey) - (80) - Jan. 3, 2003, 05:13:50 PM EST
         should be IBEW INHO that would handle retirement - (boxley) - Jan. 3, 2003, 05:28:03 PM EST
         Good point about nervousness of real AFL/CIO motives. - (a6l6e6x) - Jan. 3, 2003, 05:44:35 PM EST
         Why? Labor is labor. -NT - (deSitter) - (31) - Jan. 3, 2003, 10:22:40 PM EST
             Why what? - (JayMehaffey) - (30) - Jan. 3, 2003, 11:04:42 PM EST
                 Better a bad union, than no union at all. - (orion) - (29) - Jan. 3, 2003, 11:11:56 PM EST
                     imnsho, no union is a good union. -NT - (jbrabeck) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2003, 07:01:40 AM EST
                         Yup, let's go back to the days before unions. - (imric) - Jan. 4, 2003, 09:39:00 AM EST
                     Beg to differ. - (hnick) - (6) - Jan. 4, 2003, 09:21:10 AM EST
                         I did it myself - (orion) - (5) - Jan. 4, 2003, 01:43:13 PM EST
                             How about? - (gdaustin) - (4) - Jan. 5, 2003, 10:16:55 AM EST
                                 Yes I agree - (orion) - (3) - Jan. 5, 2003, 02:43:29 PM EST
                                     Dreamers.... - (gdaustin) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:26:23 PM EST
                                         A question for you - (lincoln) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:29:09 AM EST
                                             Visit this website - (orion) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:37:08 AM EST
                     My experiences with the Union - (bluke) - (19) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:14:24 AM EST
                         Duplicate post. @#$@#&% computer! -NT - (jbrabeck) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:20:24 AM EST
                         Similiar - (jbrabeck) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:19:40 AM EST
                         Was it at least all the same union? - (bbronson) - (5) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:31:10 AM EST
                             reminds me of the storey between the Raj - (boxley) - (4) - Jan. 5, 2003, 12:24:52 PM EST
                                 Henry Ford - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Jan. 7, 2003, 06:22:37 PM EST
                                     Fucking OF COURSE! - (deSitter) - (2) - Jan. 7, 2003, 07:45:56 PM EST
                                         Prisoners dilema - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Jan. 8, 2003, 03:44:00 AM EST
                                             Nice Exposition of PD - (deSitter) - Jan. 8, 2003, 11:21:35 AM EST
                         Good examples - (imric) - (10) - Jan. 5, 2003, 10:34:35 AM EST
                             Sanity at last - but.. - (deSitter) - (9) - Jan. 5, 2003, 11:42:55 AM EST
                                 Empty? - (imric) - (7) - Jan. 5, 2003, 01:02:50 PM EST
                                     Re: Empty? - (deSitter) - (6) - Jan. 5, 2003, 02:19:27 PM EST
                                         Here - (broomberg) - (4) - Jan. 5, 2003, 05:33:05 PM EST
                                             BAHAHAHA - (deSitter) - (3) - Jan. 5, 2003, 05:58:27 PM EST
                                                 Frog in the pot; works repeatedly via ego blindness - (Ashton) - (2) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:44:09 PM EST
                                                     Exactly - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:40:02 AM EST
                                                         'Shirking' not my point - (imric) - Jan. 6, 2003, 11:15:56 AM EST
                                         The problem is imagining that Unions - (imric) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:54:15 PM EST
                                 At what cost??? - (bluke) - Jan. 6, 2003, 03:28:01 AM EST
         All it means to me - (orion) - Jan. 3, 2003, 11:09:17 PM EST
         We beat this to death - (broomberg) - (11) - Jan. 4, 2003, 12:35:48 PM EST
             So? The issue keeps coming up - (deSitter) - (10) - Jan. 5, 2003, 11:44:36 AM EST
                 Nahh - (broomberg) - (9) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:01:29 PM EST
                     Right! - (deSitter) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:40:15 PM EST
                     Uh, I don't get this: - (CRConrad) - (7) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:43:13 PM EST
                         Yup - (broomberg) - (6) - Jan. 5, 2003, 07:32:06 PM EST
                             So you're assuming the second category doesn't need a union? -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 07:36:08 PM EST
                                 Yup - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 07:42:39 PM EST
                             Only if - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:20:55 PM EST
                                 But it's appropriate - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:41:30 PM EST
                             Yup - (deSitter) - (1) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:36:37 PM EST
                                 Try it - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:44:47 PM EST
         H1-B Problem Taking Care of Itself - (gdaustin) - (31) - Jan. 4, 2003, 01:16:26 PM EST
             Mostly cost pressure - (bluke) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:06:55 AM EST
             Wrong - (deSitter) - (21) - Jan. 5, 2003, 11:48:10 AM EST
                 Is that really your dream? - (Arkadiy) - (19) - Jan. 5, 2003, 03:00:37 PM EST
                     A dream shared - (orion) - Jan. 5, 2003, 03:04:24 PM EST
                     Re: Is that really your dream? - (deSitter) - (17) - Jan. 5, 2003, 03:13:21 PM EST
                         Unions kill productivity in many ways - (bluke) - (15) - Jan. 6, 2003, 03:45:17 AM EST
                             Bad example - (broomberg) - (14) - Jan. 6, 2003, 06:38:21 AM EST
                                 Duplicate post - ignore -NT - (bluke) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:26:33 AM EST
                                     HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! sorry couldnt help it - (boxley) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:36:09 AM EST
                                 Not really ... - (bluke) - (11) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:18:12 AM EST
                                     But remember this - (orion) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:34:12 AM EST
                                     You have the heart of it. - (static) - Jan. 6, 2003, 05:48:25 PM EST
                                     Actually, there are ways around their rigid rules - (tonytib) - (8) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:21:05 PM EST
                                         How about we split the difference - (orion) - (6) - Jan. 6, 2003, 09:41:39 PM EST
                                             Nice thought but unfeasible - (hnick) - (5) - Jan. 7, 2003, 07:29:51 AM EST
                                                 Re: Nice thought but unfeasible - (orion) - (4) - Jan. 8, 2003, 07:03:25 AM EST
                                                     Oh good, you mostly agree with me - (hnick) - (3) - Jan. 8, 2003, 07:45:22 AM EST
                                                         Vote with your feet? - (orion) - (2) - Jan. 8, 2003, 09:29:35 AM EST
                                                             Nothing is intolerable until you have a choice. - (hnick) - (1) - Jan. 9, 2003, 07:17:20 AM EST
                                                                 Re: Nothing is intolerable until you have a choice. - (orion) - Jan. 9, 2003, 09:23:59 AM EST
                                         Yes, the word Union blinds to - the possibilities in '02+ -NT - (Ashton) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:24:33 PM EST
                         Re: Is that really your dream? - (Arkadiy) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:37:22 AM EST
                 But, Greed is good... - (gdaustin) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:12:36 PM EST
             I disagree. A compromise needed - (tablizer) - (7) - Jan. 5, 2003, 06:42:58 PM EST
                 Re: I disagree. A compromise needed - (gdaustin) - (5) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:26:59 PM EST
                     And what if they really can do the job ... - (bluke) - (3) - Jan. 6, 2003, 03:58:27 AM EST
                         One of the major development costs is communication overhead - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Jan. 6, 2003, 08:35:36 AM EST
                             Believe me I know ... - (bluke) - (1) - Jan. 6, 2003, 10:22:27 AM EST
                                 Sounds like we are on the same page then - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 6, 2003, 02:47:59 PM EST
                     Corporate lying, not individuals - (tablizer) - Jan. 8, 2003, 02:27:44 AM EST
                 Your COBOL vs Java example is flawed - (broomberg) - Jan. 5, 2003, 08:36:30 PM EST
         interesting note on HB1 my interview is with a HB1 supplier - (boxley) - Jan. 5, 2003, 09:39:32 PM EST

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