WTF were the other elves doing there?

Post #72,101 by ben_tilly 1/2/03 6:35:09 PM Reply	WTF were the other elves doing there? A troop of rangers would make more sense - they were actually in the bloody book. Elves (with one exception) aren't anywhere near Helm's Deep. And doubly agreed on Faramir. That ticked me off, and my brother even more. (Faramir was his favorite character in the whole series...) Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #72,105 by inthane-chan 1/2/03 6:49:21 PM Reply	Yup. The Faramir thing really ticked me off. I mean, at least they could have actually sprung for Richard Gere, instead of hiring some cheap lookalike knockoff... Juuuuuust kidding. Still, he did look like a Richard Gere imitator to me. No idea why. The characterization bothered me - Peter Jackson seems to be saying "Humans can't be trusted at all." Those of us who know the books know that Aragorn is at least elvish blooded - Boromir and Faramir represent more truly the line of men than Aragorn does. By having Faramir be Boromir's clone (in a personality sense - PJ didn't screw it up THAT bad) instead of his brother, he's basically saying that there is nothing in humanity that is redeemable IMO. That presented with the temptation to power, they will basically fold like a house of cards at first. And what was with Frodo trying to HAND THE FARKING RING OVER TO THE WRAITH? He's supposed to become more POSESSIVE of it, not hand it over like it's a cheap party favor... Then Faramir sticks ONE arrow in the flying beast, and it's all "party's over, folks!" Somehow I think a bit too much of this film ended up on the cutting room floor. Also agreed on the rangers versus elves. I have a feeling that it might have made more sense if I could have heard the aformentioned Galadriel/Elrond "conversation" - but it still drew a HUGE "what the fuck?" from me. "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the wise cannot see all ends." - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring.
Post #72,133 by ben_tilly 1/2/03 9:49:44 PM Reply	Two observations Firstly in The Two Towers Frodo does nearly hand the Ring over to a nazgul. The scene is slightly different, but there was one like that. As for the elves, I am frankly glad that more of it landed on the cutting room floor. Because I strongly suspect that the line of archers that you saw setting out from Rivendell were the elves that showed up at Helm's Deep, and those elves included Arwen. I am sure that on the cutting room floor there are some touching scenes where she directly reminds Aaragorn where his heart is. (Rather than the scene they went with instead of Legolas handing over her favour to Aaragorn to the sight of Eowyn's heart breaking...) Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #72,113 by bepatient 1/2/03 7:08:14 PM Reply	Agreed... The elves at Helms Deep was a big downer. Same with Faramir. HOWEVER<< I knew going in that this installment would probably go further away from the book than the first...and hopefully the last can come back a little...depending on how he took the story. And yes...Gollum was..well...Gollum! All in all I liked the movie. Certainly much much better than SWII - Clones You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

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