but what about biz modeling?

Post #71,102 by tablizer 12/27/02 3:39:27 PM Reply	but what about biz modeling? in fact some languages already use OO in some form like Visual BASIC. Just doing a Form1.Label1.caption = "Bryce" is sort of like OO programming already without defining your own structures. That is because VB defines them. Besides, one could do: setCaption("form1","label1", myName) Or setAttribute("form1","label1", "caption", myName) There are other possible approaches. True, this is less "built-in", but that also allows other tools to create the GUI, and even manage it in real-time. IOW, it is a more generic approach rather than tied into one particular language because the language does not have to manage and store the GUI structure directly. Also VB can allow me to type in a period and then it offers me a drop down box of the items in that object to choose from Fancy IDE's couldn't be made for P/R also? Besides, I would like to see how OO shines for business modeling, not so much GUI's and IDE's. I can live with OO GUI's. They are the least of my OO headaches. stick to what you think works best, but good luck finding a job in an OO world. There's the rub: gotta eat yellow snow to survive. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #71,106 by johnu 12/27/02 3:56:51 PM Reply	Re: but what about biz modeling? Besides, I would like to see how OO shines for business modeling, not so much GUI's and IDE's. I can live with OO GUI's. They are the least of my OO headaches. There is a rich supply of literature about using OO for business modeling. An excellent new book that is coming out is at [link\|http://domainlanguage.com/\|http://domainlanguage.com/]. You can download the draft for free. Now if you could just read it with an open mind... Regards, John Urberg
Post #71,112 by tablizer 12/27/02 4:18:59 PM Reply	what others? There is a rich supply of literature about using OO for business modeling Aside from the cited draft book (still downloading), what existing books would you recommend? Somebody mentioned a Martin Fowler book, but I found some distasteful practices in it. Mr. Fowler does not seem to "get" relational databases, so he reinvents his own NDB and HDB in app code. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #71,133 by johnu 12/27/02 5:22:01 PM Reply	Re: what others? Aside from the cited draft book (still downloading), what existing books would you recommend? Somebody mentioned a Martin Fowler book, but I found some distasteful practices in it. Mr. Fowler does not seem to "get" relational databases, so he reinvents his own NDB and HDB in app code. There is nothing I can recommend to someone who doesn't understand a domain model is not reinventing a database... Regards, John Urberg
Post #71,165 by tablizer 12/27/02 10:05:02 PM 12/27/02 10:20:58 PM Reply	The fault is on your side, not mine There is nothing I can recommend to someone who doesn't understand a domain model is not reinventing a database... Well then Chris Date must be a retard then. All those big-name campuses buying and teaching from books by a retard. Whatta racket! ________________ oop.ismad.com Edited by tablizer Dec. 27, 2002, 10:20:58 PM EST Expand All History
Post #71,131 by tablizer 12/27/02 5:12:16 PM Reply	comments on Domain-Driven Design I finally downloaded it, but don't see a lot of examples nor source code. UML can be implemented many different ways. ________________ oop.ismad.com

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