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New Cringely on how to be a socialist ISP
Really. He explains how you can be your own ISP on the cheap and how to share with your neighbors. You could even compete with the local telco if you want to buy out a burglar alarm company (read the article, it does make sense)

[link|http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010823.html|[link|http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010823.html|http://www.pbs.org/...0010823.html]]
"When it crosses my mind to do something, I don't ask why, I ask why not. And usually there's no reason not to, so I just go ahead. It's given me the strangest collection of hats"
New Gaah -- he sez he's "friends" with "the *other* B.G."! :-(
New known that dodge for years
In anchorage asked for end to end copper to a small isp was told no such thing. Ordered a alarm to be installed to the same place, no problems. PairGain modems on each end and I am on the lan. Never actually did it but we used the same setup for the FAA to connect buildings in outlying areas.
thanx,
bill
Our bureaucracy and our laws have turned the world into a clean, safe work camp. We are raising a nation of slaves.
Chuck Palahniuk
New Know a guy in Kingston, Ont. that does this already

... and he used the same dodge too; asked for an alarm circuit to his ISP, and bought two dsl headers; he said the upfront cost was app. 1500 bucks for the two headers, and 20 bucks a month for the line. He's got 1MB access each way. Of course, there's still the small matter of paying the ISP for the bandwidth used, but it's an admirable solution to the last mile problem. In fact, I've spoken with my brother about implementing something like that here in Montreal. The idea would be a block ISP; buy a line, and use it to supply everyone on your block that's interested. You could get very good access going for pennies a month with that setup... one possibility to consider would be running at T1 into an apartment and ethernet to the other apartments (downtown Mtl residential areas are essentially one big apartment building). You could then do the twisted pair alarm circuit dealy to across the road to bring in the next block... if run as a coop, it could save people a lot of money and probably result in better access.

There's only one problem with this idea; coops were outlawed in Qc sometime ago... so probably the thing to do is to run it as a for-profit, and just make minimal profit;).

The business would probably be shut down every few years because there wouldn't be a great amount of tax revenue coming out of it, so you get the next neighbour over to take it over. This does require trusting your neighbours, though...



Hey, wait... that's communist, isn't it?


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New Communism and communism.
History is so capable of loading the meaning of words. What we call "Communism" as implemented by various government regimes in recent history has unfortunately coloured the social mechanism called "communism".

Wade.

"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"

New Totalitarian Socialism
When they say "Communism" in reference to our past "enemies", that is what they actually mean.
New My point exactly.

"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"

New Co-ops outlawed?
Yer kidding, right?
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
New na co-ops dont pay taxes so they stamp em out
Our bureaucracy and our laws have turned the world into a clean, safe work camp. We are raising a nation of slaves.
Chuck Palahniuk
New Huh?
>The business would probably be shut down every few years because there wouldn't be a great >amount of tax revenue coming out of it

And that's a reason for _governement_ to _shut_down_ a _buisiness_? Tell me you are kidding...
New Reminds me of an old Steve Martin routine...
So now we have a two megabit circuit but no Internet. It's just like buying a T-1 line (E-1, actually -- the European data standard that runs at 2.048 megabits-per-second) for, say $30. But to turn that into an Internet connection, one end has to be plugged to an Internet backbone. There are many ways to do this. Put one end of the circuit at your business. Put one end at your school. Put one end in the machine room at a local ISP. [emphasis added]


And those "many ways to do this" would be...?

This toothsome morsel reminds me of the old Steve Martin routine on "How to Live on A Million Dollars": "Step 1: Getamilliondollars. Step 2: ...".

There's always a step in these grandiose plans that seem to equate to the "Then a Miracle Happens" step from high school Chemistry!

But I am curious, how do you get your dry copper pair attached to the Internet (without having to threaten bodily damage to the drones at the CO)?
jb4
(Enquiring minds want to know...)
New I think what he's saying is ...
"Put one end of the circuit at your business," and use your office's connection to work from home.

"Put one end at your school," and use your university's connection to get class notes.

"Put one end in the machine room at a local ISP," and make an arrangement with them for metered access.

Basically, if you know anyone who already has a high-speed connection, and they will let you use it, run a line from them to ... wherever. Of course, I expect the telcos to immediately clamp down on this through new contract terms if this ever takes off. Don't want ameteurs screwing with their QoS or anything.*


* Not that they would, but it just has to sound reasonable to a judge.
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New Lemme get this straight, then...
A "dry copper pair" is not just a link between your premises (for example) to the CO, but is a link from your premesis through the CO to some other place of your choice?
jb4
(Resistance is not futile...)
New Yes.
New I seeeee...Thanx for the clarafication!
jb4
(Resistance is not futile...)
     Cringely on how to be a socialist ISP - (DonRichards) - (14)
         Gaah -- he sez he's "friends" with "the *other* B.G."! :-( -NT - (CRConrad)
         known that dodge for years - (boxley) - (7)
             Know a guy in Kingston, Ont. that does this already - (jake123) - (6)
                 Communism and communism. - (static) - (2)
                     Totalitarian Socialism - (Brandioch) - (1)
                         My point exactly. -NT - (static)
                 Co-ops outlawed? - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                     na co-ops dont pay taxes so they stamp em out -NT - (boxley)
                 Huh? - (Arkadiy)
         Reminds me of an old Steve Martin routine... - (jb4) - (4)
             I think what he's saying is ... - (drewk) - (3)
                 Lemme get this straight, then... - (jb4) - (2)
                     Yes. -NT - (addison) - (1)
                         I seeeee...Thanx for the clarafication! -NT - (jb4)

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