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Post #68,827
by deSitter
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12/13/02 11:15:00 PM
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New How does Debian..
..deal with library updates?
-drl
Post #68,843
by kmself
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12/14/02 12:27:23 AM
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New Debian library updates

[link|http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/|Debian Policy], section 9, [link|http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html|Shared Libraries].

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Minor versions are updated in place via the 'link()' system call, which is atomic (rm + cp are not, which is why this creates a problem, and which is why any distro does library updates via symlinks).

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Major versions generally result in a new package, with the library major version noted.

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There's a collection of obsoleted libraries in "oldlibs", which allow, eg, libc5 programs to function properly.

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As with all other aspects of a Debian system upgrade, with the exception of the kernel and kernel modules, these updates may be made on a functioning system, in multi-user mode, without requiring a reboot or shutdown to single-user mode.

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What specific issues did you have in mind?

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     Just used GRUB for the first time... - (admin) - (71) - Dec. 12, 2002, 04:29:53 PM EST
         Awww... Shucks.... - (folkert) - Dec. 12, 2002, 04:46:34 PM EST
         What's Wrong With Me? - (deSitter) - (69) - Dec. 12, 2002, 10:10:14 PM EST
             Re: What's Wrong With Me? - (admin) - (3) - Dec. 12, 2002, 11:30:17 PM EST
                 Re: What's Wrong With Me? - (deSitter) - (2) - Dec. 13, 2002, 10:00:47 AM EST
                     Re: What's Wrong With Me? - (admin) - (1) - Dec. 13, 2002, 11:18:44 AM EST
                         Hee hee - (tseliot) - Dec. 13, 2002, 11:40:09 AM EST
             I have the perfect OS for you. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Dec. 12, 2002, 11:32:22 PM EST
                 Hmmm.... - (folkert) - Dec. 13, 2002, 08:53:17 AM EST
             What do you want out of your computer? - (ben_tilly) - (62) - Dec. 13, 2002, 04:23:16 AM EST
                 Re: What do you want out of your computer? - (deSitter) - (61) - Dec. 13, 2002, 10:02:15 AM EST
                     I've used SuSE for well over a year now. - (admin) - (53) - Dec. 13, 2002, 10:14:34 AM EST
                         Re: I've used SuSE for well over a year now. - (deSitter) - (52) - Dec. 13, 2002, 10:32:15 AM EST
                             Who cares about profits? - (admin) - (25) - Dec. 13, 2002, 10:41:30 AM EST
                                 Re: Who cares about profits? - (deSitter) - (24) - Dec. 13, 2002, 10:56:49 AM EST
                                     Oh, hush. - (pwhysall) - (22) - Dec. 13, 2002, 11:01:32 AM EST
                                         Would Like To Hear What Rick has to say - (deSitter) - (21) - Dec. 13, 2002, 12:51:13 PM EST
                                             Re: Would Like To Hear What Rick has to say - (rickmoen) - (20) - Dec. 13, 2002, 05:21:57 PM EST
                                                 GRUB/LILO - (admin) - (13) - Dec. 13, 2002, 03:57:59 PM EST
                                                     Re: GRUB/LILO - (rickmoen) - (9) - Dec. 13, 2002, 05:04:39 PM EST
                                                         Whether you have a fallback stanza or not - (admin) - (8) - Dec. 13, 2002, 05:10:42 PM EST
                                                             Ahh, the philosophical difference - (drewk) - (3) - Dec. 13, 2002, 05:16:46 PM EST
                                                                 Re: Ahh, the philosophical difference - (rickmoen) - (2) - Dec. 13, 2002, 05:44:06 PM EST
                                                                     Fallback stanza: yes - (kmself) - Dec. 13, 2002, 09:36:38 PM EST
                                                                     Fallback stanza: yes - (kmself) - Dec. 13, 2002, 09:38:10 PM EST
                                                             Re: Whether you have a fallback stanza or not - (rickmoen) - (3) - Dec. 13, 2002, 05:33:16 PM EST
                                                                 VMWare - (admin) - (2) - Dec. 13, 2002, 05:40:49 PM EST
                                                                     Isn't this a clue? - (Another Scott) - (1) - Dec. 16, 2002, 04:13:18 PM EST
                                                                         Re: Isn't this a clue? - (admin) - Dec. 16, 2002, 04:26:58 PM EST
                                                     Re: GRUB/LILO - (deSitter) - (2) - Dec. 13, 2002, 09:54:33 PM EST
                                                         Re: GRUB/LILO - (deSitter) - (1) - Dec. 13, 2002, 10:02:17 PM EST
                                                             RFC: ~/.etc - (kmself) - Dec. 13, 2002, 11:12:33 PM EST
                                                 Ha! - (admin) - (5) - Dec. 13, 2002, 03:59:35 PM EST
                                                     diffs on edit history (new thread) - (drewk) - Dec. 13, 2002, 04:10:05 PM EST
                                                     Ha! - (rickmoen) - (3) - Dec. 14, 2002, 04:49:16 PM EST
                                                         You weren't that far off... - (admin) - Dec. 13, 2002, 04:49:11 PM EST
                                                         How does Debian.. - (deSitter) - (1) - Dec. 13, 2002, 11:15:00 PM EST
                                                             Debian library updates - (kmself) - Dec. 14, 2002, 12:27:23 AM EST
                                     Profits... - (admin) - Dec. 13, 2002, 11:17:44 AM EST
                             Bah! - (pwhysall) - (14) - Dec. 13, 2002, 10:56:19 AM EST
                                 I thought it was over... - (Another Scott) - (13) - Dec. 13, 2002, 11:37:11 AM EST
                                     Re: I thought it was over... - (deSitter) - (11) - Dec. 13, 2002, 12:43:04 PM EST
                                         I'd be willing to bet it's... - (Yendor) - (10) - Dec. 13, 2002, 01:00:03 PM EST
                                             Re: I'd be willing to bet it's... - (deSitter) - (9) - Dec. 13, 2002, 01:03:56 PM EST
                                                 ? -NT - (admin) - (4) - Dec. 13, 2002, 01:05:12 PM EST
                                                     Spyware -NT - (deSitter) - (3) - Dec. 13, 2002, 01:18:13 PM EST
                                                         News to me. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 13, 2002, 01:25:24 PM EST
                                                         Errrr... - (admin) - (1) - Dec. 13, 2002, 01:24:07 PM EST
                                                             Re: Errrr... - (deSitter) - Dec. 13, 2002, 02:05:05 PM EST
                                                 You Gatored you - (kmself) - (2) - Dec. 13, 2002, 10:21:30 PM EST
                                                     Re: You Gatored you - (deSitter) - (1) - Dec. 13, 2002, 10:34:14 PM EST
                                                         Re: You Gatored you - (kmself) - Dec. 13, 2002, 11:47:49 PM EST
                                                 This post intentionally... - (kmself) - Dec. 13, 2002, 10:35:57 PM EST
                                     been a while - (SpiceWare) - Dec. 13, 2002, 02:38:18 PM EST
                             You *CAN'T* adapt policies to a standard distro - (ben_tilly) - (10) - Dec. 13, 2002, 08:11:26 PM EST
                                 Re: You *CAN'T* adapt policies to a standard distro - (deSitter) - (9) - Dec. 13, 2002, 11:01:58 PM EST
                                     Um, Ross...? - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Dec. 13, 2002, 11:09:26 PM EST
                                         Re: Um, Ross...? - (deSitter) - (7) - Dec. 13, 2002, 11:55:34 PM EST
                                             So marketing is OK if it is effective? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Dec. 14, 2002, 12:35:24 AM EST
                                                 Re: So marketing is OK if it is effective? - (deSitter) - (5) - Dec. 14, 2002, 10:45:11 AM EST
                                                     Um...marketing is _part_ of the production process - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Dec. 14, 2002, 12:42:50 PM EST
                                                         Re: Um...marketing is _part_ of the production process - (deSitter) - (3) - Dec. 14, 2002, 02:37:45 PM EST
                                                             Sorry to interject, but there's something important here. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Dec. 14, 2002, 02:43:29 PM EST
                                                                 Re: Sorry to interject, but there's something important... - (deSitter) - Dec. 14, 2002, 07:03:20 PM EST
                                                             Call that a "missed reference" then. :-) -NT - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 14, 2002, 03:10:35 PM EST
                     There can only be one? - (Brandioch) - (5) - Dec. 13, 2002, 07:18:53 PM EST
                         *A* Frickin *MEN* -NT - (folkert) - Dec. 13, 2002, 10:29:00 PM EST
                         Re: There can only be one? - (deSitter) - (3) - Dec. 13, 2002, 10:53:46 PM EST
                             Re: There can only be one? - (rickmoen) - (2) - Dec. 14, 2002, 04:59:25 AM EST
                                 Re: There can only be one? - (deSitter) - (1) - Dec. 14, 2002, 10:50:36 AM EST
                                     Re: There can only be one? - (rickmoen) - Dec. 14, 2002, 04:37:31 PM EST
                     Re: GRUB, the only way to fly - (dmarker) - Dec. 15, 2002, 10:23:34 AM EST

You're typing on a device that stores trillions of pieces of data and makes billions of computations per second with the ability to grab data on almost anything from around the world in milliseconds, using electricity transmitted from hundreds of kilometers through wires on towers dozens of meters tall connected to megastructures that do things like burn coal as fast as entire trains can pull into the yard, or spin in the wind with blades the size of jumbo jets, or the like, which were delivered to their location by vehicles with computer-timed engines burning a fuel that was pumped up halfway around the world from up to half a dozen kilometers underground and locked into complex strata (through wells drilled by diamond-lined bores that can be remote-control steered as they go), shipped around the world in tankers with volumes the size of large city blocks and the height of apartment complexes, run through complex chemical processes in unimaginable quantities, distributed nationwide and sold to you at a corner store for $1.80 a gallon, which you then pay for with a little piece of microchipped plastic, if not a smartphone, which does all of the aforementioned computer stuff but in a box the size of your hand that tolerates getting beaten up in your pocket all day.

But technology never seems to advance...


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