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New eCS = eComStation
[link|http://www.ecomstation.com/|eComStation] is Serenity Systems' repackaging of OS/2. Includes updates, new installation routine, bundled applicates(such as SmartSuite), etc. SMP is available as an upgrade, IBM only had SMP in the server version.

Tim Martin, the guy running [link|http://www.warpcity.com/|Warp City], has this really odd way of "supporting" OS/2 - by bashing the companies and people who actually support it. [link|http://groups.google.com/groups?q=warp+city+tim+martin+group%3A*os2*&btnG=Google+Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8|Examples abound] in the newsgroups. He was very anti-[link|http://www.stardock.com/|Stardock], which is rather odd for an OS/2 supporter as Stardock was at one time the largest ISV for OS/2 software. He was very upset with Stardock for daring to make Windows software in order to stay a viable company. He also didn't like it when they pursued reselling OS/2. Now that Serenity Systems is reselling it, he's got this on his site - [link|http://www.warpcity.com/BuySWC.html|Warp City Recommends IBM's Software Choice over eComStation for Lusers]

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New Odd.
But are his gripes as listed valid?
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New never read them
He was the only person in my killfile when I followed the OS/2 newsgroups. A cry-wolf kinda guy - so much BS that any valid statements are lost in the flood.

That said, I checked it over and see a number of half-truths - such as a third CD consisting of freely available files. Yeah, the 3rd disk does contain freely available files, but it also contains not-so-free stuff like Lotus SmartSuite, Hoblink X11, etc. along with a nice front-end for installing it all.

Looks like Jack might have some input - I turned to eCS Canadian distributor, Jack Troughton's eCS support forum but he quickly and noisely banned my questions and requests for assistance

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New Tim Martin AKA The Martian
My news server actually has about 700 people using it a day now. It's main selling point is that it's a Tim Free zone... Tim's posts, and any replies to his posts, don't appear on the server. I don't even have to market it anymore... some of the active users do it for me:

"Is there any way to get this clown to shut up?"

"Use Jack's server at news.consultron.ca."

:)

I've been accused by Tim of fraud, lying, outright theft, and probably of abusing small dogs. He adds nothing but piss and wind to the newsgroups. He has systematically destroyed the main OS/2 newsgroups over the last five years (apps, misc, advocacy) and wanted to do the same thing to the ecomstation private newsgroups. However, since they're private, we get to control access... and he didn't get access.

We believe that Tim is a guy named Larry Chauvet who works at HUD in San Francisco. Having seen the various evidences of this, it actually is a pretty compelling case... and the evidence of him just having a grudge against the platform is pretty compelling too... in '95, Chauvet (who ran a BBS at the time) declared he was quitting the platform and that IBM was evil and that he would be happy to trash it any way he could. Shortly afterwards, Tim Martin appeared as the web master of Warp City. He's also posted as Webrider, Mai Fong, Jeff Welton, and various other personae... he's got more sock puppets than I've got socks, and he's been caught completely red-handed a very large number of times. He stopped sock-puppeting from work via groups.google.com after someone (I'm not sure who but I have suspicions;) forwarded a collection of the posts from HUD to their San Francisco office:)
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Laval Qu\ufffdbec Canada                   [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New Rarely valid, always strident.
Some of his criticisms of Serenity Systems could be considered halfway accurate, but that's because Serentity Systems is not very good at communicating what they're trying to do, and what they wind up saying sounds very different from what's actually out there. Some of his criticims of Stardock had validity too.

BUT...

While some of his criticisms were valid, his CONCLUSIONS have ALWAYS been off base. While I had my problems with some of the things Brad Wardell did over at Stardock, I was always an enthusiastic supporter of their work, and Object Desktop was my favorite OS/2 application ever. And I still use their windows version on my windows box.

And Serenity Systems has done some good work with eCS, despite their deviations into Dilbertesque marketingspeak. They need to hire a few good technical writers, that's all. :)

But to Tim, anyone who deviates from his true path is a swindler, a crook, and not worthy of the operating system. He's done more to damage OS/2 advocacy than ANYONE I can think of. There was speculation a while back that he is not actually an OS/2 user at all, but a mole, either working for Microsoft or simply someone who has a major problem with OS/2 and wants to see it fail. It always seemed a little too much of an X-files explanation for my taste, but I have to admit that it would compare favorably to one of the more internally consistent X-files episodes...
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
New Re: Rarely valid, always strident.
He's done more to damage OS/2 advocacy than ANYONE I can think of.
Kinda like Brett Glass and FreeBSD, eh? ;-)
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New LOL
Brett was better at pretending to be fair and even handed. That says less about Brett than it does about Tim.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
     IBM to discontinue sales of OS/2 - (Andrew Grygus) - (32)
         LOL - (cwbrenn) - (8)
             ...? - (admin) - (7)
                 eCS = eComStation - (SpiceWare) - (6)
                     Odd. - (admin) - (5)
                         never read them - (SpiceWare) - (1)
                             Tim Martin AKA The Martian - (jake123)
                         Rarely valid, always strident. - (cwbrenn) - (2)
                             Re: Rarely valid, always strident. - (admin) - (1)
                                 LOL - (cwbrenn)
         Psyche - (admin) - (1)
             That's good news... - (folkert)
         Re: IBM to discontinue sales of OS/2 - (deSitter) - (3)
             don't bet on it - (cwbrenn) - (2)
                 LRPD Alert? (new thread) - (CRConrad)
                 Actually... - (n3jja)
         Does this mean the Death of OS/2? - (orion) - (16)
             IBM later stated that . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (15)
                 So OS/2 is not dead then, just pining for the Fjords? ;) - (orion)
                 Pricing and sourcing... - (kmself) - (13)
                     Re: Pricing and sourcing... - (rickmoen) - (12)
                         Re: Pricing and sourcing... - (deSitter) - (11)
                             Micrografx did a lot of PresManager. MS did HPFS. Etc., etc. -NT - (Another Scott)
                             Re: Pricing and sourcing... - (rickmoen) - (9)
                                 The WPS was first in 2.0 (post split) and was all IBM. -NT - (Another Scott) - (8)
                                     Re: The WPS was first in 2.0 (post split) and was all IBM. - (rickmoen) - (7)
                                         Some clarification. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                             Re: Some clarification. - (deSitter) - (1)
                                                 Re: Some clarification. - (orion)
                                             Re: Some clarification. - (rickmoen) - (3)
                                                 Bullshit, Rick - it's YOU who are changing the subject! - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                     Re: Bullshit, Rick - it's YOU who are changing the subject! - (rickmoen)
                                                 The Horror! Subject creep on zIWeThey! Whoda thunkit. :-/ -NT - (Another Scott)

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