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New America slurps Europe's brains out!
[link|http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/11/europe.braindrain.reut/index.html|The fiends!]

Excerpt:

LONDON (Reuters) -- Europe's leading scientists criticized the European Union's science policies, calling for reforms and more funding to curb further brain drain to the United States.

"It is important to realize that the United States is dramatically more successful than the EU in attracting young talents at the post-doc (post-doctoral) level from all parts of the world," the presidents of 10 European science academies said in a letter this week to the European Council of EU leaders.

The letter, obtained by Reuters, was signed by Lord May of Oxford, president of Britain's Royal Society; Hubert Curien, president of France's l'Academie des Sciences; and Janne Carlsson, president of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences.

It was sent to the current EU president, Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, before a December 12-13 EU summit in Copenhagen. The letter urges a summit debate on how the EU could become more competitive and stem the outflow of its scientists.

It said more funding and reforms were needed beyond current goals to reduce a widening gap in research and development spending between the EU and other members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).

I say:

Well, they know they have a problem and are trying, in their own clumsy, collectivist way, to address it. But obviously they haven't grasped the full implications. Instead of just throwing money and bureaucracy at the problem, they need to ask themselves (sincerely) how this situation came to be in the first place. But if they were capable of that, then they'd be almost... American.

Excerpt 2:

The EU should copy the U.S. university system and become more open, efficient and flexible, letting government spending focus on basic research and leaving the business sector to take care of development and applied research, it said.

I say:

Okay, that's a bit more like it. They still haven't got at the root of the difference, but they're one level below the surface at least. Just don't emulate our English departments. Those gibberish-spewing tenure monkeys have absolutely nothing to do with our success. At anything. Oh, and don't emulate NASA as it currently exists. That model only works well during certain phases of a cold war.

The real irony is that "entrepreneur" was originally a French word. Go figure.
"What must it feel like to lose an election to a retarded monkey?" - Andrew Sullivan
"The US party calls in mortar fire on the enemy positions. The UN party stands up, climbs over the lip of the trench, and recites Robert\ufffds Rules of Order as it approaches the machine-gun positions." - Lileks
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
With luck: [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@jbf~W~x49RjZfyJwplqwurpNmg0PAgM/marlowe//|http://pascal.rockfo...mg0PAgM/marlowe//]
New Well, Jingo Bells: CERN indicates that these 'collectivists'
sufficiently grokked the nuclear physics game - to manage this operation. Look it up.

And the US still sends its umm least-dim to Oxford and Cambridge, in hopes that they might somehow-yet! glean the semblance of a liberal arts edjaKayshun, despite the cumulative beduddlement of our Dewey pragmatism and digital-think du jour. (You are an obv graduate of That)

I expect they just might muddle through - none of these places has allowed a junta to select a Dubya to lead them (lately). That indicates a level of collective intelligence which we may only wish for, some time after.. we piss away a couple Trillion next - and close some schools and libraries to cover the tab. (Oh - and build some more for-profit jails to hold the dissidents we shall spawn at Home Security HQ)


Ashton
New That's because it has to!
This is a nation of [link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2496427.stm|dummies]. Among the 18-24 year olds:
only 13% of Americans tested could point Iraq out on a map of the world.
o o o
11% of Americans could not find America!
o o o
34% of Americans know the tiny Marquesas Islands, where the last season of reality TV show "Survivor" was filmed, is located in the South Pacific. But only 30% could point to the location of New Jersey.
Take that beep! :)
56% of Americans were unable to locate India, home to 17% of the world's population.
And, let's face it, geography is easy!
Alex

"Let others praise ancient times; I am glad I was born in these."\t-- Ovid (43 B.C.-A.D. 18)
New Re: That's because it has to!
Geez, I know where America, India, and Iraq is. Pakistan and Afghanistan, too. But where the hell is the Marquesas Islands? New Joisey is on the east coast, unfortunately too near New Yawk.

(I obviously have not watched so-called Survivor much.)
New And many of them can't even read!
Harry the Beard wonders:
But where the hell is the Marquesas Islands?
They're in the South Pacific -- it SAID SO, right there in Alex' post!

;^>
   Christian R. Conrad
Mechanisation

As our souls are slowly stolen
The wheels of progress keep steamrolling
Mechanisation melts our minds
To drive the furnace that drives us blind. -- [link|http://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/poetry/mechanisation.html|© Conrad Parker, 1993]
New Oh yeah, South Pacific
Now that's a very specific location. I couldn't distinguish them between most of the other micronesias with a magnifying glass. :-)
New Geopolitical LRPD sez: Sorry, you are not a winner.
New Uhhh, Chris...
I don't doubt wharris's reading ability, but...er, the South Specific is a Big fscking Place. Without trying to put words into his mouth, I suspect he was looking for a little tighter fix on the place (I know I was, when I read Alex's post...).


[Edit: Fixing multiple fat-fingers]
jb4
"They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink."
Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
Expand Edited by jb4 Dec. 12, 2002, 09:43:50 AM EST
Expand Edited by jb4 Dec. 12, 2002, 09:44:28 AM EST
New Nor write (=type), apparently...
;^>
   Christian R. Conrad
Mechanisation

As our souls are slowly stolen
The wheels of progress keep steamrolling
Mechanisation melts our minds
To drive the furnace that drives us blind. -- [link|http://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/poetry/mechanisation.html|© Conrad Parker, 1993]
New THAT type was intentionally left in...!
jb4
"They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink."
Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
New Yes, I got that - but I was referring to the multiple edits.
"Fat-fingers", as someone called them... :-)
   Christian R. Conrad
Mechanisation

As our souls are slowly stolen
The wheels of progress keep steamrolling
Mechanisation melts our minds
To drive the furnace that drives us blind. -- [link|http://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/poetry/mechanisation.html|© Conrad Parker, 1993]
New Doonesbury's take on the 13%
Iraqi weapons scientist: "Is it true only 13% of American kids can find Iraq on a map?"

Reporter Rolland Headly: "Yeah, but all 13% are Marines".
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
     America slurps Europe's brains out! - (marlowe) - (11)
         Well, Jingo Bells: CERN indicates that these 'collectivists' - (Ashton)
         That's because it has to! - (a6l6e6x) - (9)
             Re: That's because it has to! - (wharris2) - (7)
                 And many of them can't even read! - (CRConrad) - (6)
                     Oh yeah, South Pacific - (wharris2) - (1)
                         Geopolitical LRPD sez: Sorry, you are not a winner. -NT - (Ashton)
                     Uhhh, Chris... - (jb4) - (3)
                         Nor write (=type), apparently... - (CRConrad) - (2)
                             THAT type was intentionally left in...! -NT - (jb4) - (1)
                                 Yes, I got that - but I was referring to the multiple edits. - (CRConrad)
             Doonesbury's take on the 13% - (Andrew Grygus)

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