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New wrong/flipping nuts would be the correct answer
SANS guys with a few exceptions like Norfolk etc are cheerleaders not technicians IMHO having attended a few sessions here and there.
thanx,
bill
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New That was my impression
He seemed to by suggesting that a pretty radical rethinking of basic internet protocols was both desirable and inevitable.
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     Question about IP vs. POTS - (drewk) - (9)
         how phone calls work - (boxley)
         Gawd - are people really this stupid? - (deSitter) - (2)
             Can't find a reference - (drewk) - (1)
                 Re: Can't find a reference - (deSitter)
         Re: Question about IP vs. POTS - (rickmoen) - (4)
             no I think he was talking about the AIN - (boxley) - (3)
                 Re: no I think he was talking about the AIN - (rickmoen) - (2)
                     wrong/flipping nuts would be the correct answer - (boxley) - (1)
                         That was my impression - (drewk)

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