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New Re: Question about IP vs. POTS
drewk wrote:

Heard an interview with a guy from SANS on the radio recently. He said that currently any computer on the Internet can directly address any other computer on the Internet.

If you construe the phrase "on the Internet" to mean "possesses a valid routable IP address and accepts forwarded packets of some type", then the above is true in a strictly tautological sense. That is, it's true by definition, but doesn't actually convey any informational content.

He said that for security reasons, that would have to be changed, the same way the phone system was re-engineered 15 years ago.

The pronouncement is simplistic, useless, and fatuous. But hey, it's from the SANS Institute, so that's what one expects.

What is the phone system doing to segment the network that IP doesn't already support?

Nada. Rein du tout. It's all frames over an ATM backbone.

These are not the semantic contents we're looking for. You can go about your business. Move along.

Rick Moen
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New no I think he was talking about the AIN
Nada. Rein du tout. It's all frames over an ATM backbone.
not ed zachery it is databases, intelligent swiches over a 56k connection everywhere. The statement while true is like saying the internet is all frames over an atm backbone while not quite mentioning dns, hierarchies etc.
thanx,
bill
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New Re: no I think he was talking about the AIN
not ed zachery it is databases, intelligent swiches over a 56k connection everywhere. The statement while true is like saying the internet is all frames over an atm backbone while not quite mentioning dns, hierarchies etc.

It is obvious we are somehow talking at cross-purposes. Use or non-use of AIN/IN-based technology is really not relevant to the point the SANS-institute weenie apparently was trying to make about the Internet in analogy to switched digital telephony. But then, the SANS guy (probably) really didn't have anything specific in mind, anyway.

Unless, of course, you're seriously trying to allege you think the SANS guy was claiming some intelligent services-programming model similar to AIN is likely to be superimposed on the 'Net in the near future, in which case he was simply wrong and/or flippin' nuts.

Rick Moen
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New wrong/flipping nuts would be the correct answer
SANS guys with a few exceptions like Norfolk etc are cheerleaders not technicians IMHO having attended a few sessions here and there.
thanx,
bill
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New That was my impression
He seemed to by suggesting that a pretty radical rethinking of basic internet protocols was both desirable and inevitable.
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     Question about IP vs. POTS - (drewk) - (9)
         how phone calls work - (boxley)
         Gawd - are people really this stupid? - (deSitter) - (2)
             Can't find a reference - (drewk) - (1)
                 Re: Can't find a reference - (deSitter)
         Re: Question about IP vs. POTS - (rickmoen) - (4)
             no I think he was talking about the AIN - (boxley) - (3)
                 Re: no I think he was talking about the AIN - (rickmoen) - (2)
                     wrong/flipping nuts would be the correct answer - (boxley) - (1)
                         That was my impression - (drewk)

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