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New December 2002 VOICE Newsletter
The December 2002 issue of the VOICE Newsletter is now online.

For online reading:

English - [link|http://www.os2voice.org/newsletters.html|http://www.os2voice.org/newsletters.html]
German - [link|http://de.os2voice.org/newsletters.html|http://de.os2voice.org/newsletters.html]

For download:

English (HTML) - [link|http://www.os2voice.org/files/vnl1202h.zip|http://www.os2voice....iles/vnl1202h.zip]
English (INF) - [link|http://www.os2voice.org/files/vnl1202i.zip|http://www.os2voice....iles/vnl1202i.zip]

German (HTML) - [link|http://de.os2voice.org/files/vnl1202h_de.zip|http://de.os2voice.o...s/vnl1202h_de.zip]
German (INF) - [link|http://de.os2voice.org/files/vnl01202i_de.zip|http://de.os2voice.o.../vnl01202i_de.zip]

In the latest issue you can find:

o Impressions from and thoughts about Warpstock Europe 2002 -
by Christian Hennecke
o DrDialog, or: How I learned to stop worrying and love REXX - Part 4 -
by Thomas Klein
o DragText 3.7 - What is it and what can it do? -
by A. Doug Bisset and Christian Hennecke
o Warpstock Europe 2002 - by Menno Willemse
o Multizilla, More then just a tab browser addon.- by Mark Dodel
o Warpstock 2002 Review -- The Innovation Continues -
by Tom Nadeau
o And of course letters, addenda, tips and a compilation of news of the
previous month!


Older issues can be found at [link|http://www.os2voice.org/newsletters.html|http://www.os2voice.org/newsletters.html],
[link|http://de.os2voice.org/newsletters.html|http://de.os2voice.org/newsletters.html], or at the Hobbes software
archive. And as always a big thank you to our authors, editors and
translators. Without them there would be no VOICE Newsletter. Please
consider helping us by translating or writing articles for the Newsletter.
A guide for submissions to the VOICE Newsletter is available at
[link|http://www.os2voice.org/newsletter_submission.html|http://www.os2voice....r_submission.html], including some
suggestions for topics.

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From the Desk of: Mark Dodel,
Editor, VOICE Newsletter
editor@os2voice.org

For a VOICE in the future of OS/2
please check out [link|http://www.os2voice.org/index.html|http://www.os2voice.org/index.html]

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New Perilously close to spam
While this may actually be of interest to OS/2 users, it is clearly a press release. And since you haven't participated here for about three months, this nearly qualifies as a drop-in spamming.
===
Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
New On the other hand...
...it is relevant to OS/2 users and has been posted only in the OS/2 forum.

Spam? Nah.


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New You're off the mark.
This is a perfect example of what *is* allowable. It's targeted at one forum, clearly within topic, and it's not commercial in nature.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Retraction
Never having seen the Voice newsletter, I didn't know if it was an industry mouthpiece or not. I have been corrected on the matter. I just saw a press release from an unfamiliar username and it twigged the mental spam filter. Sorry for the unwarrented cynicism.
===
Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
New CWBrenn usedta edit it before Mark, IIRC...
New Nope... he used to edit the OS/2 Ezine.
Back in the Baptist Death Ray days... ;)
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Laval Qu\ufffdbec Canada                   [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New Re: Nope... he used to edit the OS/2 Ezine.
Yep, that was me. :)
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
New Re: Nope... he used to edit the OS/2 Ezine.
Yep... I knew of you (and Alex et. al.) long before most of the people here did, I'll warrant:) I can remember when the strip was introduced on OS/2 eZine way back when... what was that, five years ago or so?
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Laval Qu\ufffd\ufffd\ufffdbec Canada                   [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New six and a half years, thereabouts
it was before I got married, at any rate. Technically, I've been doing the strip longer than Illiad's doing Userfriendly, but no one cares. :)
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
New not true
I stopped reading UF quite some time ago. I've always followed yours.

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New he's an old hand who stays downstairs so to speak
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]


Opera was the television of the nineteenth century:loud, vulgar and garish with plots that could only be called infantile. "Pendergast"
New I actually read it Sir...
I was wondering about it. I am glad to see it announced.

[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!]

Your friendly Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
Use your computer, we'll sample your DNA and imprint your eyes.

SELECT * FROM politicians WHERE iq > 40 OR WHERE ego < 1048575;
0 rows found
New Re: Perilously close to spam - Not really
Considering the small size of what is left of the OS/2 community, I find it sad that I have to defend myself here. I know a few here know me. I've been editor of the VOICE Newsletter for 6 years now. It is an entirely volunteer organization. Everyone pays their own membership and provides their time with no compensation. Many of the people that write for the Newsletter don't even belong to VOICE. Which brings me to another point. The Newsletter like almost all resources provided by VOICE is freely available to anyone that is interested in OS/2. We don't make anyone login, and there is almost no advertising.

As to the accusation that this was SPAM, and hit and run SPAM at that, all I can say is I'm guilty of trying to let a small portion of the fractured OS/2 community know that this resource exists. When it gets to the point that only I read it I will stop spending a lot of time producing it. And as other posters noted I have posted here in the past(I wasn't aware of any requirement to post on a schedule), this post was on topic as it is OS/2 only and it is not a commercial venture. Other then my sig line which I use on almost all my correspondence, I wasn't even promoting VOICE itself. And there is little if any traffic in this forum, so its not like Usenet where the signal to noise is minuscule.

It doesn't surprise me that there are these pockets of OS/2 users out there that have never heard of VOICE, but then that is why I occasionally post these things. For the record there are two actively maintained OS/2 internet magazines that I am aware of:

OS/2 eZine - [link|http://www.os2ezine.com/|http://www.os2ezine.com/]
The VOICE Newsletter - [link|http://www.os2voice.org/newsletters.html|http://www.os2voice.org/newsletters.html]

There are quite a few general OS/2 information/News sites. A few I frequent:

OS2.org - [link|http://en.os2.org/|http://en.os2.org/] (A German site with frequently updated news posts throughout the day.)

OS/2 Warp News and Rumours - [link|http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/|http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/] (Updated once a week or so by Steve Wendt.)

OS/2 World - [link|http://www.os2world.com/|http://www.os2world.com/] (Like os2.org, it is updated throughout the day with news posts. Also a number of relatively static, but informative article sections on OS/2)

OS/2 Cz - [link|http://www.os2.cz/|http://www.os2.cz/] ( A Czech site similar to OS/2 World, but with some different material.)

Russian OS/2 site - [link|http://www.os2.ru/index.phtml.en|http://www.os2.ru/index.phtml.en] (a Russian site with news, articles and surveys about OS/2.)

Russian eCS site - [link|http://en.ecomstation.ru|http://en.ecomstation.ru] (A Russion site devoted to the eComStation version of OS/2. News, polls and hardware information about eCS-OS/2).

eComStation - [link|http://www.ecomstation.com/|http://www.ecomstation.com/] (A commercial site promoting eComStation the OEM version of OS/2 Warp which is being refined and promoted. Something IBM refuses to do.)

Finally, for general news and even an occasional commercial announcement related to OS/2 and eComStation via email, there is the VOICE News list. Another free service of VOICE. You can subscribe to it at [link|http://www.os2voice.org/mailinglists.html|http://www.os2voice....mailinglists.html] where you can also find a large listing of general and specific OS/2 mailing lists.


Mark
For a choice in the future JOIN VOICE NOW
check out [link|http://www.os2voice.org/index.html|http://www.os2voice.org/index.html]
New No, No, No, we sqiushed 'im 'tween our fingers here...
Drew got a swift application of a ClueByFour...

I thank you for your presents (be though as they are infrequent):

Gotta fergive 'im, we've had a few things to iron out here lately, and he just didna wanna engage head before his fingers and instinctive responses.

Drew... Naughty, Naughty (where's that clue-stick, again for good measure)

Mark... Thanks.

[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!]

Your friendly Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
Use your computer, we'll sample your DNA and imprint your eyes.

SELECT * FROM politicians WHERE iq > 40 OR WHERE ego < 1048575;
0 rows found
New Sorry about that
Like I said up [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=66077|here] I wasn't familiar with the newsletter. I saw that post in the middle of a crap flood from a regular troller, and was all set to snap at the next bogus post. I saw something that looked like commercial messages we've gotten in the past here and banged out the reply. If I had taken that time to instead look at what you've posted in the past, instead of just how long ago it was, I'm sure I never would have sent that reply.
===
Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
New Changing Topic
What do the OS/2 people think of divorcing WPS from the OS and say porting it to an X environment?

Can you still get OS/2 to work with all the new hardware?

(sigh, I miss OS/2...)
-drl
New I think that would be more . .
. . replace X with WPS over the Linux kernel. IBM asked at some show or other if people wanted that and got a resounding YES!, but never did anything about it.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New And then...
Put X services and widgets and junk like that into WPS....

Schweet Idea... now where's that Teach yourself C/C++ in 21 Days book?....

[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!]

Your friendly Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
Use your computer, we'll sample your DNA and imprint your eyes.

SELECT * FROM politicians WHERE iq > 40 OR WHERE ego < 1048575;
0 rows found
New Re: I think that would be more . .
That could also be done - and it would be a good thing too - but I also want an X version. X development is now cutting edge, and it provides network abstraction and virtual devices.

-drl
New being absolutley ignorant of OS2 except for a very old
version what is WPS and how is it related to the OS?
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]


Opera was the television of the nineteenth century:loud, vulgar and garish with plots that could only be called infantile. "Pendergast"
New never mind, read scotts explaination
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]


Opera was the television of the nineteenth century:loud, vulgar and garish with plots that could only be called infantile. "Pendergast"
New Hhmmm... a challenge!
Can you still get OS/2 to work with all the new hardware?

Define the hardware.

If you stay with mainstream manufacturers, the odds are quite high. If you go with just pulling shit out of a bin with no prior research, you're in for an extremely painful experience.

As one who has to have nearly all of his hardware working across the 4 Oses that are installed on this box, I didn't go into this without forethought. With the possible exception of PCDOS, I've got everything in this 3 year old box working in every OS. While none of it is considered top end today, it was (at the time I build it) fairly close.

Warp 4 and eCS are only held hostage by the OEMs. If they don't make drivers, you've got a long road to hoe unless soemone can port Linux drivers (if they exist) to OS/2. That has been done, but only by a few people with the time, resources, and passion not to give up on OS/2.

The time has long past to expect anything from IBM as far as driver support for OS/2 is concerned. If their business clients don't need it, then they won't make a driver for it. And even if they do make a driver, chances are that unless you have a subscription to a support contract, you can't get it anyway. I don't know too many home users of OS/2 that can afford to fork over several hundred or thousands of dollars to get a driver written.

The OS/2 community waited far too long for handouts and scraps from the IBM table when it should have been taking matters into its own hands. Sorry for rambling on, but it's times like this when I think it's too late to stop the decline (and death) of OS/2.
New Re: Hhmmm... a challenge!
> Can you still get OS/2 to work with all the new hardware?
>
> Define the hardware.
>
> If you stay with mainstream manufacturers, the odds are quite high. If you go with just pulling shit out of a bin with no prior research, you're in for an extremely painful experience.
>

Its not quite that bad. Use to be a lot worse. Now there are some standards to write to so drivers can encompass large swaths of hardware. With Scitech Display Driver (now SNAP) for OS/2, just about any video card is supported. And you can swap in a new display card and boot it right up without fooling around (try that in windoze). With the UNIAUD audio driver a fair amount of sound chipsets are covered. With USB, particularly the more standard ECHI, most USB devices are supported. And you'd be surprised at how many OEM's still write OS/2 drivers for products like sound cards. I just installed eComStation on a generic laptop with builtin RTL3189 NIC and a Realtek ALC201 sound chipset. Both work with drivers from Realtek. My biggest disappointment in the laptop is that even though it has an ATI M6 video card with 32MB on it, the 15" display only does a native 1280x1024, so running 1600x1200 makes one have to pan the desktop, which really sucks. Wish I had know that when I bought it.

Printers and modems are a sore spot, as these have become empty shells relying on windoze only drivers. OS/2 only has limited win-modem support (one driver that works with some Lucent modems) and the IBM OS/2 OMNI printer driver supports for the most part only basic printing features for real printers. Epson continues to be one of the better options for low end printers since there are the EPOMNI drivers coming from IBM Japan for many of those (OS/2 must still be used by someone important in Japan). I'm told that Xerox Docucenters are very well supported under OS/2 as well, but those are beyond my needs or means.

The problem is with funky proprietary devices that don't stick to or have no standards. USB scanners fall into this category, but even they are being worked on under OS/2. and there are still few drivers for a lot of the wireless networking cards. Only the Cisco 340, IBm High Rate and a German company (Artem) are supproted, but a more universal wireless driver is being worked on.

Since many huge customers are still supporting large OS/2 environments, IBM has to provide at least basic driver support. Unfortunately as they try to squeeze out what's left of the OS/2 user community, most new drivers are no longer free. One has to either subscribe to IBM's Software Choice program or buy Serenity System's eComStation OEM version of OS/2.


Mark
For a choice in the future JOIN VOICE NOW
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     December 2002 VOICE Newsletter - (madodel) - (23)
         Perilously close to spam - (drewk) - (22)
             On the other hand... - (pwhysall)
             You're off the mark. - (admin) - (8)
                 Retraction - (drewk) - (7)
                     CWBrenn usedta edit it before Mark, IIRC... -NT - (CRConrad) - (5)
                         Nope... he used to edit the OS/2 Ezine. - (jake123) - (4)
                             Re: Nope... he used to edit the OS/2 Ezine. - (cwbrenn) - (3)
                                 Re: Nope... he used to edit the OS/2 Ezine. - (jake123) - (2)
                                     six and a half years, thereabouts - (cwbrenn) - (1)
                                         not true - (SpiceWare)
                     he's an old hand who stays downstairs so to speak -NT - (boxley)
             I actually read it Sir... - (folkert)
             Re: Perilously close to spam - Not really - (madodel) - (10)
                 No, No, No, we sqiushed 'im 'tween our fingers here... - (folkert)
                 Sorry about that - (drewk)
                 Changing Topic - (deSitter) - (7)
                     I think that would be more . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                         And then... - (folkert)
                         Re: I think that would be more . . - (deSitter)
                     being absolutley ignorant of OS2 except for a very old - (boxley) - (1)
                         never mind, read scotts explaination -NT - (boxley)
                     Hhmmm... a challenge! - (n3jja) - (1)
                         Re: Hhmmm... a challenge! - (madodel)

No matter what I accomplish in this life, nobody's going to sculpt my head in thermoplastic resin and make it spit water into the bedrooms of sick children.
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