Latest big fish: Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri captured alive

Post #64,511 by marlowe 11/22/02 12:58:26 PM Reply	Latest big fish: Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri captured alive Enough petulant whining and spin control. [link\|http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/11/21/alqaeda.capture/index.html\|Here's some actual news] Excerpt: Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, the suspected mastermind behind the October 2000 bombing of the USS Cole that killed 17 sailors, was arrested earlier this month, officials said. He is considered one of the highest ranking al Qaeda leaders captured in the international war on terrorism. He is of similar rank to two other captured al Qaeda operatives -- operations chief Abu Zubaydah and Ramzi Binalshibh, believed to be a main organizer of the September 11 attacks. NOT ONE CENT of tribute for North Korea. "What must it feel like to lose an election to a retarded monkey?" - Andrew Sullivan "The US party calls in mortar fire on the enemy positions. The UN party stands up, climbs over the lip of the trench, and recites Robert\ufffds Rules of Order as it approaches the machine-gun positions." - Lileks [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
Post #64,618 by wharris2 11/23/02 5:26:21 AM Reply	Brow-wrinkling twist If this guy is such a big supporter of al Qaeda and bin Laden, why is he (apparently) singing like a bird to his interrogators?
Post #64,622 by Silverlock 11/23/02 5:51:27 AM Reply	Some different excerpts Frome the same [link\|http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/11/21/alqaeda.capture/index.html\|article] linked by Marlowe This one should make you go "Hmm..." "Eventually, if these arrests keep going at this rate, they will start getting some of the real top people"... The next ones are a little bit the of history of the "top Al Qaeda operative" Born in Mecca, Saudi Arabia Tell me again why Iraq is such a danger to us. Like other top al Qaeda officials, including bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, he was one the "Afghan Arabs" who fought against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s, officials said. (emphasis added) Another wacko that was trained, supported and abandoned by us? Why should we ask our military to die for cheap oil when the rest of us aren't even being asked to get better mileage? -[link\|http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=14107\|Molly Ivins]
Post #64,639 by Brandioch 11/23/02 1:05:20 PM Reply	Fascinating. So, when one of their people is ARRESTED it makes the news. They even include his name. Yet we still have all of those "al Queda" terrorists that we captured during the invasion. Yep, once again Marlowe supplies the proof that his support of the invasion was based on ignorance. The BEST way to capture terrorists is with good, old-fashioned police work.
Post #64,645 by ChrisR 11/23/02 1:57:59 PM Reply	Police works better... ...when the police force of the country has some semblance of cooperation. Note, that even though Yemen has a large contingent of lawless territories (much like Pakistan), the national government has been helpful at some level. The problem with such law enforcement schemes that might have been erected in Afghanistan is that not only was the Taliban government uncooperative, but they were they were heavily involved with terrorism. So the question back to you: How can police work be effective when the police in question refuse to cooperate?
Post #64,671 by Brandioch 11/23/02 10:40:22 PM Reply	Those buildings were not in Afghanistan. If the police of a country are not cooperative, then they are not cooperative. And we should issue travel advisories for those countries so our citizens do not go there. But there is a small detail I believe you continue to miss. The World Trade Center was located in New York City. And the police in New York City do cooperate in the apprehension of criminals and terrorists. If the terrorists stayed in the countries that supported them, that would be fine. They can only hurt us when they LEAVE those countries and travel to OUR countries.
Post #64,676 by boxley 11/23/02 11:47:41 PM Reply	I see so the NYPD would have tracked down the perps whose only visit was their last one? thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] GRAYBOAR-Strangleur Extraodinaire "Have Thumbs Will Travel" Customised Asphyxiations No Gullet Too Big, No Weasand Too small My Motto Satisfaction Garoteed, or the Chokes on Me! Eric Flint
Post #64,685 by Brandioch 11/24/02 3:28:14 AM Reply	Not the use of the word "country" in the original post. [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=64645\|"Police works better... ...when the police force of the country has some semblance of cooperation.] You do know that those hijackers were living in this country for a while prior to the attack. Don't you? You are, of course, aware that New York City is located in the state of New York which is located this country. Aren't you?
Post #64,733 by boxley 11/24/02 9:05:25 AM Reply	yes and nypd is exemplary in tracking down Nigerian Plunger bandits and Ghanian Cell phone users but as far as actual criminals? Ask Ben he lives there.thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] GRAYBOAR-Strangleur Extraodinaire "Have Thumbs Will Travel" Customised Asphyxiations No Gullet Too Big, No Weasand Too small My Motto Satisfaction Garoteed, or the Chokes on Me! Eric Flint
Post #64,747 by Brandioch 11/24/02 11:54:57 AM Reply	I note a shift in focus. Now it seems that you are no longer arguing about whether a police force would allow us to arrest terrorists, but whether the police force has a past history of being adept at arresting criminals. Would you care to amend the original position then?
Post #64,753 by boxley 11/24/02 12:41:53 PM Reply	no I retain the right to Brandiase as needed :0 will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] GRAYBOAR-Strangleur Extraodinaire "Have Thumbs Will Travel" Customised Asphyxiations No Gullet Too Big, No Weasand Too small My Motto Satisfaction Garoteed, or the Chokes on Me! Eric Flint
Post #64,756 by Brandioch 11/24/02 12:48:42 PM Reply	I'll take that as an admission that you were wrong. But that you are unable to actually say it.
Post #64,762 by boxley 11/24/02 1:26:13 PM Reply	take it any way you want, unlike others I will admit to being wrong and will bluntly, without sideswiping, admit it. I am not wrong in this case in anyway shape or form, you however are absolutly wrong for attempting to claim that I am. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] GRAYBOAR-Strangleur Extraodinaire "Have Thumbs Will Travel" Customised Asphyxiations No Gullet Too Big, No Weasand Too small My Motto Satisfaction Garoteed, or the Chokes on Me! Eric Flint
Post #64,768 by Brandioch 11/24/02 2:19:22 PM Reply	No need to apologize, I understand. You couldn't support the original statement so you went off on a tangent. No need to apologize to me.
Post #64,778 by boxley 11/24/02 4:47:12 PM Reply	read my sig will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] GRAYBOAR-Strangleur Extraodinaire "Have Thumbs Will Travel" Customised Asphyxiations No Gullet Too Big, No Weasand Too small My Motto Satisfaction Garoteed, or the Chokes on Me! Eric Flint
Post #64,790 by Brandioch 11/24/02 5:53:45 PM Reply	Was that supposed to be self-explanatory? [link\|http://www.baen.com/chapters/W200102/0671319868.htm\|I will guess] Ever on the lookout for new concepts, I managed to make it almost 50% through that page before quiting. I gave up at the line: "What about his uncle's children?" demanded Greyboar. "D'you want I should burke the whole brood?" Sarcasm, this\ufffdGreyboar drew the line at throttling sprouts, save the occasional bratling. There is some linkage between bad fantasy writing and your posts in this thread?
Post #64,803 by boxley 11/24/02 7:25:28 PM Reply	I was just annoyed at your prior post and throttling is one way to shut someone up, but I realize I am just having a bad day so I will go up a few posts and start again tomorrow on this thread. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] GRAYBOAR-Strangleur Extraodinaire "Have Thumbs Will Travel" Customised Asphyxiations No Gullet Too Big, No Weasand Too small My Motto Satisfaction Garoteed, or the Chokes on Me! Eric Flint
Post #64,713 by dmarker 11/24/02 4:53:22 AM Reply	Re: "Enough petulant whining and spin control" Just what was that Maelowesque remark supposed to tell us ??? Were you looking in a mirror when you wrote it (my best guess). Why did you bother trying to enlighten us ?

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