You should also look at the Cog project, then...

[link|http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/humanoid-robotics-group/|http://www.ai.mit.e...otics-group/]

Side note: I once took a class with Rod Brooks. Having met him, you can understand how he is able to decide the entire AI research community is wrong, and you can also understand why he's able to go out and invent robots that prove it. He really is that cynical, and that smart. :)

Quote: "The central idea that I've been playing with for the last 12-15 years is that what we are and what biological systems are. It's not what's in the head, it's in their interaction with the world. You can't view it as the head, and the body hanging off the head, being directed by the brain, and the world being something else out there. It's a complete system, coupled together."

The quote was the starting point of Jung and Pauli's joint research into the phenomenon of synchronicity. For myself, I express the same idea by stating that memories are not stored in the brain, as RAM, rather they are enfolded into the fabric of reality, and remembering is then an act of unfolding.

I was watching a [link|http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/nathis/arthopo/mospider/kinds.htm#anchor866508|garden spider] build her magnificent web yesterday. She moved with incredible speed and certainly, using her legs to test the tension in the web as she layed out orbital threads. Since a web has to conform to its environment, compromises are needed at certain points - the big gal would stop, seemed to be thinking, then she would set off to the other side with a new spoke and start laying down orbits again. It was amazing to watch! There is no way this entire complex procedure could be stored in its tiny brain. Somehow spider existence is enfolded into reality to the tune a few hundred million years, and all that is necessary to induce unfoldment of web-building is an empty stomach.

Post #6,435 by neelk 8/23/01 9:15:42 AM Reply	You should also look at the Cog project, then... [link\|http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/humanoid-robotics-group/\|http://www.ai.mit.e...otics-group/] Side note: I once took a class with Rod Brooks. Having met him, you can understand how he is able to decide the entire AI research community is wrong, and you can also understand why he's able to go out and invent robots that prove it. He really is that cynical, and that smart. :) Quote: "The central idea that I've been playing with for the last 12-15 years is that what we are and what biological systems are. It's not what's in the head, it's in their interaction with the world. You can't view it as the head, and the body hanging off the head, being directed by the brain, and the world being something else out there. It's a complete system, coupled together."
Post #6,445 by deSitter 8/23/01 11:51:02 AM Reply	Fascinating The quote was the starting point of Jung and Pauli's joint research into the phenomenon of synchronicity. For myself, I express the same idea by stating that memories are not stored in the brain, as RAM, rather they are enfolded into the fabric of reality, and remembering is then an act of unfolding. I was watching a [link\|http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/nathis/arthopo/mospider/kinds.htm#anchor866508\|garden spider] build her magnificent web yesterday. She moved with incredible speed and certainly, using her legs to test the tension in the web as she layed out orbital threads. Since a web has to conform to its environment, compromises are needed at certain points - the big gal would stop, seemed to be thinking, then she would set off to the other side with a new spoke and start laying down orbits again. It was amazing to watch! There is no way this entire complex procedure could be stored in its tiny brain. Somehow spider existence is enfolded into reality to the tune a few hundred million years, and all that is necessary to induce unfoldment of web-building is an empty stomach.
Post #6,494 by tseliot 8/23/01 2:21:45 PM Reply	Thanks! Cursory view looks promising... That's her, officer! That's the woman that programmed me for evil!

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