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New How's Babylon 5 Season one on a normal TV?
I've been watching it on my HDTV(16:9) and the image quality varies drastically.

The main problem is that while the show was filmed for widescreen, the CGI was only created for a normal(4:3) TV. The filmed portions of the show were recreated from the film, and except for scratches, it looks excellent. I have a progressive DVD player which recreates the 24fps film images. ([link|http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_4/dvd-benchmark-part-5-progressive-10-2000.html|This] is an excellent description, with animated images, of how progressive players do this)

In contrast, the CGI portions look really-really bad(this includes any live action with CGI effects). This is a shame because the CGI looked sooo good when the series was aired. They took the 4:3 video source, cropped the top/bottom and then scaled the image to eliminate the black bars. The resulting image looks very soft and blurry, plus the scaling exaggerates the problems with interlaced video.

When watched on a 4:3 TV, the DVD player will toss out every 4th scan line and letterbox it for playback. The filmed portions should look fine. I'm curious about how the CGI portions look. If the dropped scan lines are exactly the same as what was added to to fill a 16:9 set, then it should look really good on a 4:3 screen. However, it's possible that the dropped scan lines are not the same and the end result would look as crappy, if not worse, than on a 16:9 screen.

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New It looks razor-sharp on 4:3
In contrast, the CGI portions look really-really bad(this includes any live action with CGI effects). This is a shame because the CGI looked sooo good when the series was aired. They took the 4:3 video source, cropped the top/bottom and then scaled the image to eliminate the black bars.


On 4:3 the CGI is still letterboxed, but sharp. It's got the usual artifacts from being too sharp, sometimes :) Are you really running at 720p vertical or 480?

Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
New 480p
My set doesn't accept a 720p signal, my HD decoder converts ABC's 720p signal to 1080i. The conversion makes ABC shows softer looking than the other channels which use 1080i.

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New Waidaminnit...
Spice, are you saying Babylon 5 is airing on ABC?!? When???
jb4
"They lead. They don't manage. The carrot always wins over the stick. Ask your horse. You can lead your horse to water, but you can't manage him to drink."
Richard Kerr, United Technologies Corporation, 1990
New *ahem*
[link|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006HAZ4|http://www.amazon.co...tail/-/B00006HAZ4]

Some of us have been dozing, it seems... :)

Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
New So correct me but don't *you* have the lower vres? 480 < 525
That might explain the loss of letterboxing...?

Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
New NTSC's 525 isn't what's visible
while NTSC has 525 "lines" of resolution, quite a few of those are not shown. [link|http://www.udayton.edu/~cps/cps460/notes/displays/video_standards.html|Video Standards]
A standard American TV broadcast has 525 lines per frame, but only 480 lines or so are visible. About 10% or 45 lines are lost during vertical retrace.
HDTV standards chose to use what's actually shown when specifying the format.

Darrell Spice, Jr.

[link|http://home.houston.rr.com/spiceware/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore

New Getting the opposite effect now
I'm watching Bab5.1 on my home computer. DVD->PowerDVD->Matrox. The CGI is still razor-sharp, but now has a field width I'm guessing twice what I got on the TV. Yes, I'm actually seeing MUCH more on the left and right sides. Menus too. So my TV was cropping a heck of a lot on each side.

Filmed video is fuzzier, and has obvious pulldown judder, including combined near frames when I pause.

Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
     How's Babylon 5 Season one on a normal TV? - (SpiceWare) - (7)
         It looks razor-sharp on 4:3 - (tseliot) - (5)
             480p - (SpiceWare) - (4)
                 Waidaminnit... - (jb4) - (1)
                     *ahem* - (tseliot)
                 So correct me but don't *you* have the lower vres? 480 < 525 - (tseliot) - (1)
                     NTSC's 525 isn't what's visible - (SpiceWare)
         Getting the opposite effect now - (tseliot)

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