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New Encouraging news for Solar
[link|http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/MSD-full-spectrum-solar-cell.html|power].

The maximum efficiency a solar cell made from a single material can achieve in converting light to electrical power is about 30 percent; the best efficiency actually achieved is about 25 percent... ...Two layers of indium gallium nitride, one tuned to a band gap of 1.7 eV and the other to 1.1 eV, could attain the theoretical 50 percent maximum efficiency for a two-layer multijunction cell. (Currently, no materials with these band gaps can be grown together.) Or a great many layers with only small differences in their band gaps could be stacked to approach the maximum theoretical efficiency of better than 70 percent.

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New Very cool.
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New Re: Encouraging news for Solar
It's funny, msking these things is completly different physics from making hard drives, but it's sort of the seme problem. Solar energy is theoretically limited by the total power radiated by the Sun through an area at the distance of the Earth. The reason solar cell efficiency is 30 probably has something to do with both the nature of the material, and some basic principle like the Virial Theorem applied to light as an ideal gas of photons. This is bad limit, like the weight of a laptop. The limits in magnetic storage are much better, and are made possible because c is very large and there is no interference from isolated magnetic poles, meaning that tiny B-fields can be measured. Because iron has two kinds of magnetic interaction (para- and ferro-) and various combinations of elements sometimes results in one of these properties being very pronounced, it is possible to make huge leaps based on a new material and manufacturing technique.

In any case both are dealing with light and its limits.
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New What is the 'available' power of sunlight?
[link|http://www.dnr.state.mo.us/energy/renewables/solar2.htm|I found this].

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New curious about one thing
the article discusses heat as waste, to me heat is never a waste it is utilizable energy. How do they capture this heat for transfer to a water tank, assuming we are talking stationary cells. Also do you happen to know what the refractory effect of water would do to the cells in a panel.
thanx,
bill
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New But that's 2 things!
the article discusses heat as waste, to me heat is never a waste it is utilizable energy. How do they capture this heat for transfer to a water tank, assuming we are talking stationary cells.


[link|http://www.cowi.dk/news/uk/2001/news_cowi_0530b2001.htm|PV/T] cells are already around... I don't see why this form of phot-voltaic cells couldn't be used.
Also do you happen to know what the refractory effect of water would do to the cells in a panel.


*smile* Not sure... I'm no expert on solar cells...


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New Nice.___Next need: storage.. at >90 % in/out efficiency.
New It's still a long ways off...
The nitrides are notoriously difficult materials to work with. InGaN is one of the worst. Why?

1) InN has a very high "vapor pressure" - it decomposes (with nitrogen being given off) at rather low temperature (e.g. around 400 C). This makes it a very difficult material to "grow" into the type of layers you'd need for solar cells.

2) In order to control the bandgap, you have to control the In/Ga ratio in the material. The amount of In you can get in the material is a strong function of the temperature at which you grow the material - the higher the temperature the less In. So these two-junction solar cells would have to be grown using two different substrate temperatures, risking contamination of the interface between them (i.e. it takes time to change the temperature and during that time the critical interface between them is exposed to potential contamination).

3) You'd like to grow the material hotter to improve its structural and electrical quality (fewer defects, fewer unintentional impurities).

4) There's no good substrate to grow the nitrides on. Although lots of progress has been made, there are no large area (e.g. > 2" diameter) crystalline nitride substrates that are suitable for epitaxial growth. Most of the nitride LEDs (e.g. the green LEDs used in stop lights) are grown on sapphire (crystalline Al2O3) because it's cheap (about $100 for a 2" wafer) and relatively inert, but it has a huge mismatch in the crystal lattice spacing with the nitrides (and leads to the huge number of defects mentioned in the article). Other groups use SiC, which has a closer lattice match and better thermal properties, but it's very expensive (up to $4000+ for a 2" diameter high-resistivity wafer).

5) Solar cells are much more dependent on crystalline perfection than LEDs. Especially if you want high efficiency, you can't tolerate defects that suck up the electrons and holes that the light generates. In nitride LEDs, you have more losses than you'd like, but you can just drive the LED with more current to make up for it and get the light that you need.

It's neat and important work, but it's going to be a while before you see nitride solar arrays based on InGaN. Just like blue LEDs and lasers were made years ago but you still don't see DVDs, etc., that use them.

More info on the nitride semiconductors can be found at the [link|http://nsr.mij.mrs.org/|MRS Internet Journal of Nitride Semiconductor Research].

Cheers,
Scott.
New Awesome - now where do I get a couple panels for my boat?
So I can keep cold beer and ice cream in the tropics?

Seriously, thats likely to be the first commercial application of these things - boaters are constantly on the lookout for cheap power collection apparati.
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New Charging batteries? Outdoor cameras?

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     Encouraging news for Solar - (imric) - (12)
         Very cool. -NT - (admin)
         Re: Encouraging news for Solar - (deSitter) - (3)
             like yer photo. keep an eye out for ya? -NT - (boxley)
             What is the 'available' power of sunlight? - (imric)
             Re: Encouraging news for Solar - (deSitter)
         curious about one thing - (boxley) - (1)
             But that's 2 things! - (imric)
         Nice.___Next need: storage.. at >90 % in/out efficiency. -NT - (Ashton)
         It's still a long ways off... - (Another Scott)
         Awesome - now where do I get a couple panels for my boat? - (tuberculosis) - (2)
             Needs bigger market--how can the porn industry use this? :D -NT - (tseliot) - (1)
                 Charging batteries? Outdoor cameras? -NT - (imric)

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