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Post #6,228
by wharris2
8/22/01 2:50:41 AM
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New Hal, shmal
Unfortunately it doesn't seem like "hal" is available to the general publc. Hmmmmmmm. This naturally gives rise to certain doubts.

There has been a lot of research about chess playing and AI. Can Hal learn how to play chess? Oops, sorry, we don't have any access to Hal.

At the moment, I don't care much how well Hal plays chess, just that he can learn how to play chess. If he can't, it instantly disproves the supposed "AI" bullshit. If it can, it is an impressive accomplishment even if it doesn't entirely fulfill the Turing test..
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Post #6,256
by DonRichards
8/22/01 9:09:58 AM
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New Why so hostile?
It was just a freakin news story. No need to get your panties in a knot. Wait till the ten years is up, then see if it can learn chess. As far as the general public having access, how many other scientific endeavors allow access by the general public? Doesn't seem to unreasonable to me.
"When it crosses my mind to do something, I don't ask why, I ask why not. And usually there's no reason not to, so I just go ahead. It's given me the strangest collection of hats"
Post #6,275
by wharris2
8/22/01 9:57:27 AM
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New Just the hype
"Israeli computer passes Turing test".... now to me, that's outrageous hype without further supporting detail or other tests.
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Post #6,297
by DonRichards
8/22/01 11:15:32 AM
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New But it doesn't say that
It specifically points out that it *may* pass a Turing test after 10 years of "learning". I thought the article was remarkably hype free for a story regarding AI. I do agree that most "news" about AI is a hype fest. I just didn't think this was one.
"When it crosses my mind to do something, I don't ask why, I ask why not. And usually there's no reason not to, so I just go ahead. It's given me the strangest collection of hats"
     Hal is born - (DonRichards) - (18) - Aug. 21, 2001, 10:09:49 AM EDT
         Halfway there. - (tseliot) - (3) - Aug. 21, 2001, 03:41:55 PM EDT
             You should also look at the Cog project, then... - (neelk) - (2) - Aug. 23, 2001, 09:15:42 AM EDT
                 Fascinating - (deSitter) - Aug. 23, 2001, 11:51:02 AM EDT
                 Thanks! Cursory view looks promising... -NT - (tseliot) - Aug. 23, 2001, 02:21:45 PM EDT
         Hal, shmal - (wharris2) - (3) - Aug. 22, 2001, 02:50:41 AM EDT
             Why so hostile? - (DonRichards) - (2) - Aug. 22, 2001, 09:09:58 AM EDT
                 Just the hype - (wharris2) - (1) - Aug. 22, 2001, 09:57:27 AM EDT
                     But it doesn't say that - (DonRichards) - Aug. 22, 2001, 11:15:32 AM EDT
         Validity of the Turing Test? - (ChrisR) - (9) - Aug. 22, 2001, 09:44:10 AM EDT
             Good points - (DonRichards) - Aug. 22, 2001, 11:17:00 AM EDT
             The best argument against the Turing Test is Eliza -NT - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Aug. 22, 2001, 04:17:48 PM EDT
                 No, the best argument against the Turing Test is Usenet - (drewk) - (4) - Aug. 23, 2001, 12:05:06 PM EDT
                     Don't You Need Numbers? - (deSitter) - Aug. 23, 2001, 02:11:31 PM EDT
                     Well purl passed the IRC test a long time ago - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Aug. 24, 2001, 10:25:50 AM EDT
                         How 'bout the magical Frenchman? -NT - (drewk) - Aug. 24, 2001, 12:43:41 PM EDT
                         unReal.. but real-enough for Govt. Work. merely the facade - (Ashton) - Aug. 27, 2001, 05:16:44 PM EDT
             Re: Fooling the Turing Test - (tablizer) - (1) - Aug. 22, 2001, 04:24:38 PM EDT
                 Yep, Turing specified - (mhuber) - Aug. 30, 2001, 05:27:33 PM EDT

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