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Post #59,939 by boxley 10/28/02 6:58:21 PM Reply	I think you misunderstood my thought. To redeem (turn in for value) means doing acts that cost either emotionally, physically or monetarily. If there is no "cost" it is not a mikva(good deed that only you know about). If you lend me $20 not knowing when I could pay it back it makes a difference whether it is your grocery money for the next week or pocket change. As St Sunrises Over the Mountains once said only the Chief would ring the bell 3 times in a row. (ringing the Bell in a downtown rowdyass bar means drinks for the house) thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #59,943 by ben_tilly 10/28/02 7:20:49 PM Reply	Check who I was responding to I was responding to the Christian tale that Jesus Christ's suffering redeems us. I find nothing redeeming in pain and suffering. Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #59,947 by boxley 10/28/02 7:34:33 PM Reply	shoot and I have new glasses too! will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche

redemption read les miserable - (boxley) - (23) - Oct. 27, 2002, 08:10:24 PM EST

OT great now one button increases my post count by 2!!! -NT - (boxley) - Oct. 27, 2002, 08:11:20 PM EST

Just to supply the orthodox counterpoint - (tseliot) - (21) - Oct. 28, 2002, 11:18:37 AM EST

no gain no pain :-) -NT - (boxley) - Oct. 28, 2002, 03:17:12 PM EST

Sorry you feel that it needs to be earned by pain - (ben_tilly) - (19) - Oct. 28, 2002, 06:33:12 PM EST

I think you misunderstood my thought. - (boxley) - (2) - Oct. 28, 2002, 06:58:21 PM EST

Check who I was responding to - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Oct. 28, 2002, 07:20:49 PM EST

shoot and I have new glasses too! -NT - (boxley) - Oct. 28, 2002, 07:34:33 PM EST

(un)raveling the threads - (tseliot) - (15) - Oct. 29, 2002, 01:34:27 PM EST

I thought it was pretty straightforward - (ben_tilly) - (14) - Oct. 30, 2002, 01:44:43 AM EST

Good link. - (static) - (3) - Oct. 30, 2002, 05:59:23 AM EST

Ah. I am a character, aren't I? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 30, 2002, 07:26:31 AM EST

Well, yes. - (static) - (1) - Oct. 30, 2002, 06:32:49 PM EST

That fits - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 30, 2002, 11:37:53 PM EST

Suffering can provide clarity - (ChrisR) - (6) - Oct. 30, 2002, 09:58:06 AM EST

Absolutely - (deSitter) - Oct. 30, 2002, 10:23:14 AM EST

Re: Suffering can provide clarity - (inthane-chan) - (3) - Oct. 30, 2002, 11:33:05 AM EST

Not sure - (ChrisR) - (2) - Oct. 30, 2002, 12:11:35 PM EST

I've found useful a certain distinction between - (Ashton) - (1) - Oct. 30, 2002, 09:08:41 PM EST

I think it depends upon the point of view. - (Brandioch) - Oct. 31, 2002, 12:06:58 PM EST

Inthane is right - we don't necessarily differ by that much - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 30, 2002, 11:49:22 PM EST

Well, that wasn't the point. - (tseliot) - (2) - Oct. 30, 2002, 12:24:46 PM EST

Ah... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Oct. 30, 2002, 11:24:52 PM EST

I have a lot of respect for uncomfortable philo :) -NT - (tseliot) - Oct. 31, 2002, 01:42:53 PM EST

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