All but one of 117 dead hostages died from gas.

Post #59,764 by admin 10/27/02 1:17:20 PM Reply	All but one of 117 dead hostages died from gas. [link\|http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/27/moscow.putin/index.html\|http://www.cnn.com/2....putin/index.html] The vast majority of the deaths, 115, appear to have been caused by the mysterious sedative gas used to "neutralise" the 50 Chechen rebel hostage-takers before the raid by special forces early Saturday. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #59,841 by Simon_Jester 10/28/02 9:43:54 AM Reply	I've heard all but two died of the gas... Probably muslim extremists infilitrated the police dept and deliberately gassed the people.
Post #59,850 by deSitter 10/28/02 10:06:17 AM Reply	Re: I've heard all but two died of the gas... Looks like their paramilitary swatters are as stupid and self-serving as ours. Not one of THEM died, because they waited for the gas to disperse before entering the theater, while the unlucky 116 suffocated and were poisoned. NY Times this AM reports only one death from gunshots - probably the man who freaked out about 2 hours before the rescue and charged the exit. -drl
Post #59,851 by admin 10/28/02 10:10:51 AM Reply	Wasn't a man... It was a child. The child was missed when the hijackers opened fire, but a woman was hit and killed. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #59,857 by Arkadiy 10/28/02 10:26:26 AM Reply	The operation took 50 minutes Russian TV proudly showed dead terrorists sitting in theater chairs, aparently dead of instant gas poisoning (Some had explosive belts on, one can see the "button" still held in the dead hand. Obviously not enough time to react.) And then, not a minute later, a deputy minister of whatever, the one who was responsible for the operation, goes on air and says that "according to the director of Hospital such and such, the dead hostages died of natural causes, such as heart attacks and lack of necessary medicines". The worst case of lying I've personally seen on TV. What I can't understand is why. They saved around 700 people. Why lie about the deaths of 100? (more likely 150 now, people are still dying of that crap). -- We have only 2 things to worry about: That things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
Post #59,860 by ChrisR 10/28/02 10:32:06 AM Reply	I've been out of touch... ...but didn't the Russian troops shoot most of the terrorists when they stormed the theatre - just to make sure?
Post #59,864 by inthane-chan 10/28/02 10:58:40 AM Reply	I've heard that as well. They claimed it was the only way to secure them. End of world rescheduled for day after tomorrow. Something should probably be done. Please advise.
Post #60,011 by dmarker 10/29/02 9:45:04 AM 10/29/02 9:13:25 PM Reply	Re: Stories we got was - kill all the women with bombs, then kill the male terrorists. The women had the body bombs. The Ruskies had spy cameras and listening gear in place throughout the ceiling & walls. Crept in through the drains & aircon ducts. As awful as the death toll is I am f***ing certain it would have been a lot higher & the event a lot worse had they not acted as they did. I am sure a whole lot of bleeding hearts who never had to face the consequences of a total failure due to dragged out & gory murders, will scream blue murder that anyone died. Other reports around now talk of many countries wanting to study the event and know of the gas so they can use the same tactics but hopefully refine the dosage & perhaps act sooner to prevent weakened hostages succumbing. I for one truly believe Putin did the right thing only it might have been done sooner. It is easy to spit crits at the SF who went in but those bastards had to look death right i the eye & just because it was their job (alright, don't start on what Setznaz & regulars do to civvies in Chechenya - that is unfair <grin>) Doug M Edited by dmarker Oct. 29, 2002, 09:13:25 PM EST Expand All History
Post #60,122 by Ashton 10/29/02 10:03:47 PM Reply	On availability of medical help Sheer guesswork from what I have heard: Presumably the inside people had at least someone outside, perhaps with cel fone or other - for advance warning of something as obvious as.. 50 ambulances. Thus their arrival would certainly risk.. element of surprise. Now why they weren't positioned a mile or so away and dispersed - may be a valid criticism. (No I have no explanation of the way the commandos were assembled invisibly, but must presume this is Tactics 101A and they were not singing marching songs) Otherwise, from what I've heard recently of the putative composition of the gas: one substance used as an antidote to certain alkaloids.. another component a pharm-chem substance alleged 1000x more potent than morphine - seems likely they would have had little experience of using this on a significant number of civilians; little data to suggest exact dosages. Obv. they neded to incapacitate the human bombs or risk total destruction of the building + occupants + their own troops. So I concur: Putin did the best he could manage - pending any weird shit that next surfaces. Ashton

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