Post #58,812
10/23/02 11:40:55 AM
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Arrrgh!
That's just so damn wrong! Leave it to people writing their own new "language" to decide to modify existing ones while they're at it.
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Post #58,813
10/23/02 11:44:12 AM
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Instantiation has been in use for a long time...
[link|http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=instantiation|"instantiation"]
One of the hallmarks of the English language is its malleability. Deal with it. ;-)
Or would you prefer the French Language Inquisition to set up shop here as well?
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-scott anderson
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Post #58,829
10/23/02 12:11:23 PM
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Careful, keep this up and you'll be agreeing with ...
No, I can't type it out loud.
Anyway, I'm not saying language can't/shouldn't change, but in this case "instance" is most nearly the root of that group of words. "Instantiate" is a suffixed form, "instantiation" would be a multiply-suffixed form that is syntactically equivalent to the root. It's just bad grammar.
And furthermore ... you didn't just suggest that "people have been getting it wrong for a long time" is a valid defense of it, did you?
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Post #58,831
10/23/02 12:15:22 PM
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Re: Careful, keep this up and you'll be agreeing with ...
"People have been getting it wrong for a long time" is exactly how things change in languages.
Instance sounds static. Instantiation implies the act of instantiation as well. Subtle connotation difference, but it's there.
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-scott anderson
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Post #58,838
10/23/02 12:22:27 PM
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Then I hereby nominate ... objectification
 Object sounds static. Objectification implies the act of objectification as well. :-p ===
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Post #58,841
10/23/02 12:24:56 PM
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Re: Then I hereby nominate ... objectification
[link|http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=objectification|"objectification"]
The act of objectifying something.
Date: circa 1837
This one is over 100 years older than instantiation. ;-) Thanks for playing, drive through.
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-scott anderson
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Post #58,843
10/23/02 12:27:28 PM
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He meant "objectifaction"
defn: Making a rotten object (from "object putrefaction").
-drl
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Post #58,844
10/23/02 12:29:04 PM
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Re: He meant "objectifaction"
[link|http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=objectifaction|"objectifaction"]
That one actually works as a joke. ;-)
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-scott anderson
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Post #58,863
10/23/02 1:31:13 PM
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Not as a noun, though
You're using "instantiation" as a noun. Then "objectification" would have to be a noun also. As in, "The input to this function is an objectification."
Thank you for playing.
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Post #58,884
10/23/02 2:21:20 PM
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Objectification IS a noun, you knob.
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-scott anderson
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Post #58,888
10/23/02 2:43:50 PM
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Umm, well, yeah, but ... uhhh
CrrrrrrrAP!
I'm even forced to admit that it's possible "instantiation" might have been correct in the first instance.
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Post #58,889
10/23/02 2:44:36 PM
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Welll...
WTF did you think I linked to Merriam Webster for...?
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-scott anderson
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Post #59,009
10/24/02 2:01:53 AM
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You've been using that a lot lately.
"knob", that is. It sounds so British. Do you know where you picked it up from?
Wade
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Post #59,015
10/24/02 3:11:38 AM
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Well I know where *I* got it from
Larry Wall. [link|http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/06/1343222&mode=thread&tid=145|Perl 6 will give you the big knob.]
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #59,032
10/24/02 7:54:05 AM
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My (obvious) guess: Peter.
You know, [link|/forums/render/user?username=pwhysall|pwhysall].
(Wow -- these WeirdCode thingies seem to be *working*! :-)
Christian R. Conrad
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Post #59,039
10/24/02 9:07:48 AM
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Dunno.
Just one of those things I picked up somewhere.
I tend to use an eclectic collection of phrases, given how many shady characters from around the world I associate with. ;-)
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-scott anderson
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