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Post #57,407
by admin
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10/17/02 5:12:06 PM
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New Wrong.
Everyone saw that having to worry about carriage control at the language level was brain-dead.
No, it isn't. cf. Python
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Post #57,414
by deSitter
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10/17/02 5:34:53 PM
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New Re: Wrong.
We're talking 1970s, FORTRAN, COBOL, etc. Carriage control was heavily device-oriented and record-oriented, because IBM made record-oriented systems. Byte-stream oriented UNIX was really radical.

Some of us were around in antediluvian times :) Things change.

Here's a history of carraige control:

[link|http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/languages/fortran/ch2-14.html|http://www.ibiblio.o...rtran/ch2-14.html]



-drl
Post #57,487
by ben_tilly
10/18/02 7:25:31 AM
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New This is a general trend
Later-invented systems often find simple solutions to problems that are so bad that earlier systems never considered doing it that way. Byte-oriented UNIX with lines parsed out versus records is one example. Automatic memory management in new languages is a more familiar one today.

Cheers,
Ben
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     Comments Invited on Adobe Javascript - (deSitter) - (40) - Oct. 1, 2002, 11:44:40 PM EDT
         Why can't they pick a better language? - (ben_tilly) - (37) - Oct. 2, 2002, 06:25:28 AM EDT
             I agree. - (static) - (4) - Oct. 2, 2002, 08:08:22 AM EDT
                 Re: I agree. - (deSitter) - (3) - Oct. 2, 2002, 09:48:51 AM EDT
                     Same language... - (ChrisR) - (1) - Oct. 2, 2002, 12:21:23 PM EDT
                         Re: Same language... - (deSitter) - Oct. 2, 2002, 12:44:40 PM EDT
                     I didn't look. - (static) - Oct. 2, 2002, 10:16:32 PM EDT
             You Perl people must like... - (ChrisR) - (31) - Oct. 2, 2002, 03:03:22 PM EDT
                 not new vernacular but sigil doesnt mean sigil anymore? - (boxley) - Oct. 2, 2002, 04:19:33 PM EDT
                 I didn't invent it - (ben_tilly) - (29) - Oct. 2, 2002, 07:03:51 PM EDT
                     Re: I didn't invent it - (deSitter) - (28) - Oct. 2, 2002, 07:37:42 PM EDT
                         It isn't, necessarily - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Oct. 2, 2002, 07:55:24 PM EDT
                             Re: It isn't, necessarily - (deSitter) - (3) - Oct. 2, 2002, 07:58:33 PM EDT
                                 Why is that wrong? - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 2, 2002, 08:03:32 PM EDT
                                 Not me - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2002, 08:37:49 AM EDT
                                     You've got life easy - (tonytib) - Oct. 5, 2002, 01:55:11 AM EDT
                         Not idiomatically. - (static) - (22) - Oct. 2, 2002, 10:19:07 PM EDT
                             In Perl they are dereferencing operators -NT - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 2, 2002, 10:26:22 PM EDT
                             semicolon rant IV - (tablizer) - (20) - Oct. 3, 2002, 01:43:33 AM EDT
                                 Or you can use periods. - (tuberculosis) - (19) - Oct. 3, 2002, 08:41:17 AM EDT
                                     re: periods - (tablizer) - (18) - Oct. 5, 2002, 12:40:32 AM EDT
                                         re: periods - (deSitter) - (17) - Oct. 6, 2002, 06:29:49 PM EDT
                                             Huh? -NT - (tablizer) - (16) - Oct. 8, 2002, 11:40:57 PM EDT
                                                 Re: Huh? - (deSitter) - (15) - Oct. 9, 2002, 11:59:35 AM EDT
                                                     Who is "everyone"? - (tablizer) - (5) - Oct. 17, 2002, 03:53:17 PM EDT
                                                         Once More With Feeling - (deSitter) - (4) - Oct. 17, 2002, 05:09:06 PM EDT
                                                             I don't care about the 1970's, I hate them here and now - (tablizer) - (3) - Oct. 18, 2002, 11:20:43 PM EDT
                                                                 Simple solution. - (static) - Oct. 19, 2002, 12:43:55 AM EDT
                                                                 The Galileo of Computing! - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 19, 2002, 01:54:47 AM EDT
                                                                     Others complain too - (tablizer) - Oct. 22, 2002, 02:32:44 AM EDT
                                                     Wrong. - (admin) - (2) - Oct. 17, 2002, 05:12:06 PM EDT
                                                         Re: Wrong. - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 17, 2002, 05:34:53 PM EDT
                                                             This is a general trend - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 18, 2002, 07:25:31 AM EDT
                                                     Historical trivia that applies... - (hnick) - (5) - Oct. 17, 2002, 05:41:27 PM EDT
                                                         Nah, not Kernighan and Ritchie. - (a6l6e6x) - (4) - Oct. 17, 2002, 09:59:49 PM EDT
                                                             Right, Not K&R - (hnick) - (3) - Oct. 18, 2002, 08:13:04 AM EDT
                                                                 Don't be. Sorry, I mean. -NT - (CRConrad) - Oct. 18, 2002, 08:30:21 AM EDT
                                                                 Re: Right, Not K&R - (deSitter) - Oct. 18, 2002, 12:37:33 PM EDT
                                                                 Actually, might it have been a "standard" to fit terminals? - (wharris2) - Oct. 21, 2002, 12:00:00 PM EDT
         Initial Comments - (ChrisR) - (1) - Oct. 2, 2002, 06:26:07 PM EDT
             Re: Initial Comments - (deSitter) - Oct. 7, 2002, 10:01:48 AM EDT

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