Re: Suicide! It's the "terrorist" way.

Chinees dontchya <grin>.

But I keep tryin to tell ya that Mao is dead !!! (big surprise no?).

The Chinese I keep meeting are the biggest cowboy capitalists I have ever met - these cowboys are unrestrained by legislation that enforces consumer protection & workers rights etc: etc:. American businessmen I know envy the crap out of these guys because the country will take another 15 years of learning before they have reined in the more aggressive capitalists that are rampaging through the country.

Usually when the central govt has evidence of the bribery & tax evasion & worker exploitation being done by the leading graspers, they are long gone off to the US or Canada or some other haven, along with the billions of Yuan they bilked.

Anyway re China, as Bill suggests almost Any Google will produce interesting results & be prepared to be stunned if they have lots of pics of Shanghai or Beijing (or almost *any* of the major cities across the country).

The massive shopping malls stocked with worldwide produce, the brand names one sees (incl Starbucks, Pizza Hut, KFC, Pepsi, Coke, Maccer Ds, Wong's Peking Duck :-) etc: etc:), the private enterprise 3-5 star hotels, the advertising on TV, the advertising hordings, the English names & words everywhere, the numbers & variety of cars in the past 10 years (absolutely staggering).

Bejing in little over 12 years went from a city of drab dress, lots of bicycles, few cars, wide empty boulevards, to a smog filled, grid-locked, scyscraper packed city, gaily dressed citizens, advertising everywhere, husstle & busstle, etc: etc:.

Beijing now has 6 massive major Ring roads, a subway system, a fully replaced international airport (the old one was a national disgrace 12 years ago - I could tell some barely believable stories about it).

I still find it hard to grasp how fast buildings & roads appear in China - iut truly staggers me and I always wondered how I could explain it to other people who hadn't seen it for themselves with their own eyes. Some of these buildings are spectacular.

12 years ago China had a dual currency system. The FEC (Foreign Exchange Certificate) and the Yuan (Remin B). We could only use FEC & locals paid a different (dirt cheap) price in Yuan - today that has all gone & we all pay the same prices - internal tourism in China is a staggering growth industry, the growing Chinese middle class are on the move & can now travel overseas quite freely - both Aust & NZ expect their biggest growth in tourists from any region will be toursist from China. Both Aust & NZ are having to warn the growing swarms of these tourists against the shysters and rip-off merchants who are beining to prey on them - most are not used to the crime we have in NZ & Aust (but I have to admit - us Aussies are all from crim stock & our police force has corruption so built into it that noone can eradicate it - the last police commisioner brough in esp from London's Scotland yard with the mission to break the cycle, in the end got sent away having failed.

Tourism to China is only just scratching the surface. Massive effort is being put into restoration & creation of tourist facilities. We have seen some wonderful locations, world heritage sites, that make visiting them a lifetime's treat.

Be prepared to be amazed when the Olympics get held here - many will wonder where this amazing place really is. (well it snuck in under the radar of perception, asnd at supersonic speed). China seems unstoppable at the moment.

Cheers

Doug

Post #57,400 by deSitter 10/17/02 4:55:32 PM Reply	Re: Suicide! It's the "terrorist" way. No doubt the Red Chinese are somehow involved in this. -drl
Post #57,477 by dmarker 10/18/02 12:27:41 AM Reply	Re: Hey Darryl, ya got a real soft spot for them 'red' Chinees dontchya <grin>. But I keep tryin to tell ya that Mao is dead !!! (big surprise no?). The Chinese I keep meeting are the biggest cowboy capitalists I have ever met - these cowboys are unrestrained by legislation that enforces consumer protection & workers rights etc: etc:. American businessmen I know envy the crap out of these guys because the country will take another 15 years of learning before they have reined in the more aggressive capitalists that are rampaging through the country. Usually when the central govt has evidence of the bribery & tax evasion & worker exploitation being done by the leading graspers, they are long gone off to the US or Canada or some other haven, along with the billions of Yuan they bilked.
Post #57,558 by deSitter 10/18/02 1:25:09 PM Reply	WTF is Darryl :) Danny, me cobber! I don't trust their govt any more than I trust ours. Your report on cowboy capitalists is interesting. Links RE this phenom? -drl
Post #57,699 by boxley 10/18/02 8:50:14 PM Reply	Used to read all about it in SCMP but is is pay now google pla ties to american business and government, google also chinese corruption. It is the major threat to the chicom govt that could return china to warlordism and that is happening in certain areas. Also google on Shanghei and see a picture of what it looks like today. It out brites vegas. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #57,759 by dmarker 10/18/02 11:55:26 PM 10/19/02 7:09:52 AM Reply	Re: Sorry Danny mate - me memory got warped Anyway re China, as Bill suggests almost Any Google will produce interesting results & be prepared to be stunned if they have lots of pics of Shanghai or Beijing (or almost any of the major cities across the country). The massive shopping malls stocked with worldwide produce, the brand names one sees (incl Starbucks, Pizza Hut, KFC, Pepsi, Coke, Maccer Ds, Wong's Peking Duck :-) etc: etc:), the private enterprise 3-5 star hotels, the advertising on TV, the advertising hordings, the English names & words everywhere, the numbers & variety of cars in the past 10 years (absolutely staggering). Bejing in little over 12 years went from a city of drab dress, lots of bicycles, few cars, wide empty boulevards, to a smog filled, grid-locked, scyscraper packed city, gaily dressed citizens, advertising everywhere, husstle & busstle, etc: etc:. Beijing now has 6 massive major Ring roads, a subway system, a fully replaced international airport (the old one was a national disgrace 12 years ago - I could tell some barely believable stories about it). I still find it hard to grasp how fast buildings & roads appear in China - iut truly staggers me and I always wondered how I could explain it to other people who hadn't seen it for themselves with their own eyes. Some of these buildings are spectacular. 12 years ago China had a dual currency system. The FEC (Foreign Exchange Certificate) and the Yuan (Remin B). We could only use FEC & locals paid a different (dirt cheap) price in Yuan - today that has all gone & we all pay the same prices - internal tourism in China is a staggering growth industry, the growing Chinese middle class are on the move & can now travel overseas quite freely - both Aust & NZ expect their biggest growth in tourists from any region will be toursist from China. Both Aust & NZ are having to warn the growing swarms of these tourists against the shysters and rip-off merchants who are beining to prey on them - most are not used to the crime we have in NZ & Aust (but I have to admit - us Aussies are all from crim stock & our police force has corruption so built into it that noone can eradicate it - the last police commisioner brough in esp from London's Scotland yard with the mission to break the cycle, in the end got sent away having failed. Tourism to China is only just scratching the surface. Massive effort is being put into restoration & creation of tourist facilities. We have seen some wonderful locations, world heritage sites, that make visiting them a lifetime's treat. Be prepared to be amazed when the Olympics get held here - many will wonder where this amazing place really is. (well it snuck in under the radar of perception, asnd at supersonic speed). China seems unstoppable at the moment. Cheers Doug Edited by dmarker Oct. 19, 2002, 07:09:52 AM EDT Expand All History

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