Huh^2?

Post #5,668 by inthane-chan 8/17/01 4:28:31 PM 8/17/01 6:37:18 PM Reply	Huh^2? Seriously? Hell, Batman is a monster in some ways (loved that 4 part Dark Knight Returns graphic novel that came out in the late 80s IIRC - Batman as an old Geezer, going up against Superman one more time... Just to remind him that it's not his planet.) but this is a notion that is much older than the Bat... [Edit: s/Night/Knight] "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche Edited by inthane-chan Aug. 17, 2001, 06:37:18 PM EDT Huh^2? Seriously? Hell, Batman is a monster in some ways (loved that 4 part Dark Night Returns graphic novel that came out in the late 80s IIRC - Batman as an old Geezer, going up against Superman one more time... Just to remind him that it's not his planet.) but this is a notion that is much older than the Bat... "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche Collapse All History
Post #5,671 by Fearless Freep 8/17/01 4:35:40 PM Reply	Sorta :) Seriously? In one of the cartoons, Batman's having a moment of self doubt and is in the Batcave talking to Robin and he looks down into a cavern and says that if you look into the abyss long enough, the abyss looks back into you (Although he may have said "darkness" rather than "abyss", I don't remember the exact wording) Jay O'Connor "Going places unmapped to do things unplanned to people unsuspecting"
Post #5,677 by inthane-chan 8/17/01 4:49:34 PM Reply	Makes sense. And I don't know how much the modern era shows it, but the original comic (IIRC from the '30s) was much darker - Batman was almost as much a thug as the villians he fought against. After the Comic Code Crackdown, they had to clean things up, and IIRC that's where Robin came in. Give me a "gritty" hero over Superman any day. Anybody can aspire to be Batman, but you might as well aspire to be Christ as Superman. A hero without flaws is not a human. "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #6,158 by mhuber 8/21/01 6:09:02 PM Reply	Re: Makes sense. My guess is that if you read the books closely, a significant number of Batman's lines are directly cribbed from Nietzsche. The feel is very similar. But then, Nietzsche is everywhere. Reading his stuff and then noticing how much influence he's had is quite disturbing. People who like Nietzsche scare me. And I'm one of them. White guys in suits know best - Pat McCurdy
Post #6,159 by Fearless Freep 8/21/01 6:13:41 PM Reply	..I thought Nietzsche influenced "Superman", not "Batman" :) Jay O'Connor "Going places unmapped to do things unplanned to people unsuspecting"
Post #6,339 by inthane-chan 8/22/01 2:19:05 PM Reply	I probably should read him. Especially since I like that quote so much. Nietzsche probably says some really controversial things - but to be honest, I don't know that Awareness can survive in the universe by continuing to treat anything with a certain commonality of DNA as human. The problem is, selecting the person who makes the division between those truly Aware and those who are not - and that is something that we cannot trust any man with, as can be seen in World War II. Rather, it is the responsibility IMO of each individual to focus themselves to becoming the next stage... "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #5,693 by CRConrad 8/17/01 5:53:34 PM Reply	Well, the Dark Knight* Returns... ...was rather literate, for a comic. (Every bit as "heavy" as "Watchmen".) So yeah, I think he said "abyss". Because he was quoting Nietzsche... []: Knight, wasn't it, not Night? Christian R. Conrad* The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #5,702 by inthane-chan 8/17/01 6:40:58 PM Reply	Re: Well, the Dark Knight* Returns... Whoops. Was that in that one? It's been 10+ years since I read it. That and The Watchmen were definitely Cool Books. The problem is, it's kinda like reading the Lord of the Rings, and then trying to read David Eddings. It turned me off to comic books. "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #5,837 by CRConrad 8/19/01 2:31:16 PM Reply	Dunno. Thane wonders: Whoops. Was that in that one? I just kind of assumed it was, 'coz I haven't read much else Batman in the last decade or two... But then, the quote doesn't necessarily have to have been in any Batman I've read. (I may have got it elsewhere... :-) But on the gripping hand, if that quote was in any Batman, then the Dark Knight is the logical candidate, right? Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything

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