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New Re: Here in Los Angeles . .
How many of those kamikazes-in-the-canyons rice-rocket-riders die every year out there? I remember lazily negotiating a canyon rode near Malibu, one with precipitous dropoffs and pitiful guardrails - when SZHROOM! - these shirtless X-ers passed me going at least 70 or 80. I could only shake my head in wonder at the value these two placed on their lives.

-drl
New Oh, not too many . . .
. . maybe two or three a week. Nothing we can't live with. One Suzuki pilot made the paper this week by fleeing from the police. Intersectioned an Excursion at the hard end at 90+ and rides no more (no injuries in the Excursion).

Don't see shirtless ones in my area (probably mostly in the beech communities), but a lot in bike matching $1500 leathers and $450 helmets.

Best description I've ever heard was made up by Sandra (whom I haven't seen for 20 years now):

Kabuki Insects

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     Linux is Harley Davidson, Microsoft is Honda - (drewk) - (23)
         harleys are bloated and slow hondas are sleek and fast - (boxley)
         I don't like it either. - (Another Scott) - (21)
             Was talking about Honda motorcycle riders - (drewk) - (20)
                 Ok. But, one can still get Model T parts too... :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (19)
                     Sure, but try to get Edsel parts - (drewk) - (18)
                         We're getting away from your point, I think. - (Another Scott) - (17)
                             Who's doing the innovating? - (drewk) - (16)
                                 What user innovation? - (scoenye) - (3)
                                     hunter S, used a beemer -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                         BSA, not BMW - (hnick) - (1)
                                             yer right bsa, knew it was BSomething :-) -NT - (boxley)
                                 harley riders like to build there own, can you back that up? - (boxley) - (11)
                                     Like I said, more mature market - (drewk) - (10)
                                         Years ago I "owned" a harley - (boxley) - (6)
                                             Here in Los Angeles . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                                                 Re: Here in Los Angeles . . - (deSitter) - (1)
                                                     Oh, not too many . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                                                 Re: Here in Los Angeles . . - (deSitter) - (2)
                                                     You seem to have developed a bit of a stutter . . -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                                         Worse - (deSitter)
                                         You're omitting the whole pre-Honda US market - (Ashton) - (2)
                                             Re your PS. I've seen Harley's that don't have chains... - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                 Well, sorta - (drewk)

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