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New Re your PS. I've seen Harley's that don't have chains...
They've got [link|http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/hdbeltdrive.htm|cogged belts]. A useful innovation. I have no idea whether they came up with it first though.

Cheers,
Scott
New Well, sorta
The idea of belt drive is very old. Probably the oldest drivetrain, actually. And hugely inefficient as it slipped. The toothed belt was much more recent, and was first used on camshafts and other lighter-duty applications. They were made possible by advances in kevlar and nylon manufacturing (though there are other materials being used now, I'm sure).

Harley were the ones who got the idea to try the huge ones for final drive to quiet the noise down. This is a company that does 3-D sound modelling of all new products to make sure they sound right. No one else would have cared so much about the noise from a chain.
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Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
     Linux is Harley Davidson, Microsoft is Honda - (drewk) - (23)
         harleys are bloated and slow hondas are sleek and fast - (boxley)
         I don't like it either. - (Another Scott) - (21)
             Was talking about Honda motorcycle riders - (drewk) - (20)
                 Ok. But, one can still get Model T parts too... :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (19)
                     Sure, but try to get Edsel parts - (drewk) - (18)
                         We're getting away from your point, I think. - (Another Scott) - (17)
                             Who's doing the innovating? - (drewk) - (16)
                                 What user innovation? - (scoenye) - (3)
                                     hunter S, used a beemer -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                         BSA, not BMW - (hnick) - (1)
                                             yer right bsa, knew it was BSomething :-) -NT - (boxley)
                                 harley riders like to build there own, can you back that up? - (boxley) - (11)
                                     Like I said, more mature market - (drewk) - (10)
                                         Years ago I "owned" a harley - (boxley) - (6)
                                             Here in Los Angeles . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                                                 Re: Here in Los Angeles . . - (deSitter) - (1)
                                                     Oh, not too many . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                                                 Re: Here in Los Angeles . . - (deSitter) - (2)
                                                     You seem to have developed a bit of a stutter . . -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                                         Worse - (deSitter)
                                         You're omitting the whole pre-Honda US market - (Ashton) - (2)
                                             Re your PS. I've seen Harley's that don't have chains... - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                 Well, sorta - (drewk)

I'm into you like an undersized thong.
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