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New I think you're confused - DRL
Here's my take.

We already have a pretty large taste of socialism in this country, especially when you discuss things like regulated drug companies.

You're complaining about hypocrisy about the fact that Eli Lilly can legally mess with someone's mind with fun drugs like Prozac, but Bubba down the street isn't allowed to sell MJ to the masses.

Early in this century, we didn't have the FDA. Coca Cola allegedly bottled cocaine in their soda. Predecessors to heroin were freely available. Many of the "cancer cures" and other unregulated medicines sold in this country would amount to illegal drugs (stimulants, antidrepressives, sedatives, etc.) today or they were pure quackery (placebos).

The practice of medicine was hit and miss, and a good doctor was typically someone who "knows what works". Very few doctors were afforded the opportunity to attend a "real" medical school.

The outrage from the deaths and quackery from unregulated drugs created the FDA. With the advent of the FDA, companies then had a process to submit drugs to be tested and approved for general use and their effects on different populations ( children, the elderly, pregnant women ) documented.

Now, most everything under the supervision of the FDA is considered "medicine", and everything that is outside this realm is considered "criminal" or "herbal" (which is often under attack as criminal).

Now, I don't know if you want to advocate legalizing "criminal" drugs, or further restrict the accessibility of corporate drugs.

True capitalism would mean that anyone could sell any drug at any time, with perhaps some requirements to disclose the potential problems a person (or populations) might have in using the drug. Liability would fall to the seller of the drug, and resolution would be handled by a court. There would be no FDA, or some minimum organization that ensured that drugs that came to market had essential documentation. Individuals would be personally responsible for ensuring that the drug did not cause them to die, or damage key body organs, or cause them to inflict harm on other people. That's what most libertarians want.

Most socialists, want all drugs more strictly regulated, where it would take years of study and millions of dollars before Prozac comes to market (like it is here in the US), and then it would be offered at a generic (regulated) price immediately (Canada and Europe). In addition, criminal and "herbal" remedies would be similarly regulated, only available from a licensed doctor in a controlled situation.
Expand Edited by gdaustin Oct. 10, 2002, 06:45:15 PM EDT
New Tell it to CRC
His new bairn will get freedom, loving parents, free education, and total medical care, including the dentist and optometrist. He will not see the Swedish army marching into Iraq. He will not get drafted to die for chickenhawks. He will have beautiful summers and winters, snow and blue skies, he will learn several languages, and his father will teach him how to cuss in all of them.

Such a terrible fate.
-drl
New Perhaps You Should Join Him?
If Sweden is so wonderful, then why don't you migrate there?

I have a friend who moves to other countries and lives there for about 5 years. So far he's lived in Germany and Australia.

I have friends from here that moved to England and didn't want to move back. And I've had English friends move here and they didn't want to go home either.

If you want to be a socialist, then puhhlease, move to Europe!

Then you can harass me from overseas...
Expand Edited by gdaustin Oct. 11, 2002, 11:19:14 PM EDT
New Love It or Leave It, eh?
I'll bet it hasn't occurred to you that, given present circumstances there are apt to be quite a few emigr\ufffds, next. No one much "Love's" an Empire led by a Hun - at least not those who paid their tax money for a Republic, thought citizens voted and that their representatives represented. I never saw a Corporation worth allegiance.

If by accident I'd learned several lanuages fluently, as a child - I'd pick Denmark or Sweden next, myself. Probably I'll have to compromise among the obv Engl-spoken or tolerated instead, or bring a multi-lingual friend along (who won't be any happier in this next environment than I, is my guess). That is, unless these countries close their borders to potentially dangerous nationals from the Empire; ah well - challenges are rewarding.


Ashton
who doesn't Love it, so can Leave it about any old time - if this all gets just a bit more terminally ugly.
New Re: Perhaps You Should Join Him?
Actually I'm trying for France. We'll see what the consulate says.

France has a parlimentary system, and sometimes - GASP! - a member of the Socialists becomes PM. Does this doom the French to tyranny? NO! In fact, look for them to kick our asses big time in aerospace in the 21 century.
-drl
     Drug Dealers - (deSitter) - (59)
         Nah! - (orion) - (9)
             Do you even *see* the hypocrisy? - (Silverlock) - (3)
                 Somewhat - (orion) - (1)
                     No - (Andrew Grygus)
                 Jesus's schedule... - (jb4)
             Time to move this to "religion". -NT - (Brandioch) - (3)
                 Or Politics? - (gdaustin) - (1)
                     There's a difference? -NT - (inthane-chan)
                 Dup - (gdaustin)
             Exactly! - (gdaustin)
         Socialism won't work - (orion) - (11)
             It's not an economic/political system problem... - (gdaustin) - (8)
                 The question is, (and it's a big one!) who's values? -NT - (inthane-chan) - (5)
                     Answer - (gdaustin) - (4)
                         Re: Answer - (deSitter) - (3)
                             There's a difference... - (gdaustin) - (2)
                                 It's Natural! - (deSitter) - (1)
                                     Diff between looking and acting on impulses - (gdaustin)
                 It is a flawed universe far from perfect - (orion) - (1)
                     I am praying for you. - (Arkadiy)
             RE: socialism choking the life out of Cuba. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                 Why yes, but for their own good, like Iraqi population next- -NT - (Ashton)
         I think you're confused - DRL - (gdaustin) - (4)
             Tell it to CRC - (deSitter) - (3)
                 Perhaps You Should Join Him? - (gdaustin) - (2)
                     Love It or Leave It, eh? - (Ashton)
                     Re: Perhaps You Should Join Him? - (deSitter)
         Socialism would not be kind to you. - (mmoffitt) - (31)
             Re: Socialism would not be kind to you. - (deSitter)
             Re: Socialism would not be kind to you. - 2 - (deSitter)
             Re: Socialism would not be kind to you. - 2 - (deSitter)
             Re: Socialism would not be kind to you. - 2 - (deSitter)
             Re: Socialism would not be kind to you. - 2 - (deSitter)
             Re: Socialism would not be kind to you. - 2 - (deSitter)
             Re: Socialism would not be kind to you. - 2 - (deSitter)
             Re: Socialism would not be kind to you. - 2 - (deSitter)
             Re: Socialism would not be kind to you. - 2 - (deSitter)
             Re: Socialism would not be kind to you. - 2 - (deSitter) - (21)
                 What we have a case of here... - (admin) - (8)
                     Re: What we have a case of here... - (deSitter) - (7)
                         Bahahaa... - (admin) - (6)
                             What is That? -NT - (deSitter) - (4)
                                 Re: What is That? - (admin) - (3)
                                     Is that a reference to the poetess... - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                         Ooohh.... NICE Quick-Save button! :-) -NT - (CRConrad)
                                         It's from Dune -NT - (admin)
                             You might as well make'm blink too -NT - (deSitter)
                 Do you favor more or less gov't? - (ChrisR) - (5)
                     More posts, at least. -NT - (admin)
                     Not At All - (deSitter) - (3)
                         But then, neither France nor Scandinavia is "socialist"... - (CRConrad) - (2)
                             Re: But then, neither France nor Scandinavia is "socialist" - (deSitter)
                             Good post. - (mmoffitt)
                 What is this? - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                     Re: What is this? What It Was - (deSitter)
                     How about our favorite drug? - (drewk) - (3)
                         Here's a tip. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                             So it's testable, is it still active? - (drewk)
                             Re: Here's a tip. - (deSitter)

I am unable to summon the amount of snark that statement requires.
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