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New Another defector from the too-far Left
[link|http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage3.asp|Ron Rosenbaum says goodbye to all that]

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But you know, I still can understand people like Pete Seeger joining the Party back in the 30\ufffds during the Depression, when it looked like unregulated capitalism had cruelly immiserated America, when racism and lynchings reigned down South and it looked (looked, I said) as if the Soviet Union was the only force willing to stand up to Hitler. But to cling to Marxism now, after all we\ufffdve learned in the past 50 years\ufffdnot just about the Soviet Union, but China and Cambodia \ufffd ?

I must confess that my own learning curve was on the slow side, having grown up reading The Nation and The New Republic and believing that the evils of Soviet Communism were a figment of J. Edgar Hoover\ufffds imagination. My slow learning curve had a lot to do as well with coming of age during the Vietnam War and covering antiwar demonstrations, where I found myself seduced by the brilliant Groucho Marxism of Abbie Hoffman (I still miss his anarchic spirit). And (more culpably) I was fascinated by the Dostoevskian moral absolutism of the Weather Underground, although never, thank God, by the pretensions of Marxism to be a "science of history."

I still identify myself as a contrarian, libertarian, pessimist, secular-humanist, anti-materialist liberal Democrat who distrusts the worship of "the wisdom of the market." Someone who was outraged (and outspoken in these pages) about the Bush-Baker election tactics in Florida, for instance. But not stupid enough to think we\ufffdd be better off with Al Gore as President now; not stupid enough to think Al Gore is smart.

I say:

The hard Left is increasingly forcing its adherents to choose between doctrinal purity and reality. In the end they will have the members they deserve.
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The nihilists and the liars have buried truth alive in a shallow grave.
"The US party calls in mortar fire on the enemy positions. The UN party stands up, climbs over the lip of the trench, and recites Robert\ufffds Rules of Order as it approaches the machine-gun positions." - Lileks
New Check that.
I still identify myself as a contrarian, libertarian, pessimist, secular-humanist, anti-materialist liberal Democrat who distrusts the worship of "the wisdom of the market."
Now, the questions:

#1. What does a "libertarian" consider to be the correct role of government in business?

#2. What does a "democrat" consider to be the correct role of government in business?

If you need help, consider the MS anti-trust suit.

What would a "libertarian's" view be and how would that compare/contrast with a "democrat's" view?
New If I may paraphrase...
I say:

The hard Left is increasingly forcing its adherents to choose between doctrinal purity and reality. In the end they will have the members they deserve.


Isn't that true also of the hard Right? The hard Christians? The hard Vegitarians? The hard...anything?

The statement has the ring of tautology. It certainly doesn't enlighten....
jb4
"About the use of language: it is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. "
-- Edsger W.Dijkstra (1930 - 2002)
(I wish more managers knew that...)
New Re: If I may paraphrase...
Actually, you could say that about political label of your choice, almost anywhere, today. Jerry Pournelle was complaining recently that he couldn't call himself a conservative anymore, as he had little in common with the so-called conservative leadership nowdays. Liberals could probably say something similar.
New It sounds like it's time for a NEW party!
If the party doesn't have much in common with the leadership, isn't it time to drop the leadership?

Ummmmm, isn't the leadership chosen by the members of the party?

It's definately time for a new party.
New not in Joisey!
Can we have a convention where whoever can sniff an 8ball off a hookers ass and can still do the declamation from [link|http://www.aginc.net/battle/|link] simultaneously while bottle feeding a gaseous baby which after he puts a 5 round group in the circle at 100 yds with a 30-06 then can acurately fill a shopping cart with enough healthy nutritious food to feed a family of four for a month without going over the food stamp ration?
where is this man?
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

"Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane."
Lyndon LaRouche
     Another defector from the too-far Left - (marlowe) - (5)
         Check that. - (Brandioch)
         If I may paraphrase... - (jb4) - (3)
             Re: If I may paraphrase... - (wharris2) - (2)
                 It sounds like it's time for a NEW party! - (Brandioch) - (1)
                     not in Joisey! - (boxley)

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