Sorry, I usually agreed with him

Post #55,553 by broomberg 10/8/02 6:41:30 PM Reply	Sorry, I usually agreed with him While I admit he seems to go a bit overboard on the DIY to the whiners, it makes for good entertainment. His knowledge level is very high, and he WILL help people who help themselves. He just won't babysit. I'm happy to voice my appreciation when I have access to high level techs, and I also try not to abuse it since I understand how painful it is to deal with the clueless. I don't know the particular post you are referring to, so please direct me.
Post #55,563 by ben_tilly 10/8/02 7:02:02 PM Reply	You would have missed it It was on the mailing list. Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #55,601 by Another Scott 10/8/02 8:15:10 PM Reply	Eh? I though UnixMonster was referring to this thread... [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=53158\|Here]. Could be wrong though - deSitter often gives too little context for my taste. But there you go. Cheers, Scott.
Post #55,609 by deSitter 10/8/02 8:53:27 PM Reply	That moniker is no more I distance myself from UNIX as much as possible, because of the extremely creepy culture-moss that has grown over it. In the end, it's just a stupid operating system - and an old, creaky, boring one at that. Die, unixmonster, die! Thou art naught but a spambucket! -drl
Post #55,622 by Another Scott 10/8/02 9:16:23 PM Reply	Just pulling your chain a little. :-)
Post #55,614 by ben_tilly 10/8/02 8:58:17 PM Reply	Ah... There were also a few threads on the mailing list which applied. Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #55,618 by deSitter 10/8/02 9:10:48 PM Reply	Re: You would have missed it Oh, he was making an absolute ass of himself somewhere else? Well do tell! -drl
Post #55,637 by deSitter 10/8/02 10:17:33 PM Reply	Re: Sorry, I usually agreed with him How did I miss this little gem of self-sastifaction? Let's dissect it: "Whiners". So, the little (you MUST be little) God from Philly has divided the world into "whiners" and "worthy". Yep, classic UNIX culture. "He just won't babysit." Yep - babysitting "whiners" is not something the worthy do. Of course, you could have a user like I have, who is the chief accountant and ABSOLUTELY essential to the business, but married to console mode and so almost afraid to use his mouse. Now, sometimes I have to "babysit" this "whiner". Poor pitiful me, having to suffer this. "I am happy to voice my appreciation" - not "I am appreciative" - because the worthy like to refer to themselves in grand manners - they don't approve, they "voice appreciation". Uh huh. "I understand how painful it is to deal with the clueless." Well, I am happy to make a shortcut on the desktop of the clueless owner of the company that pays my bills - of course I am not in the "worthy" class so if I "voice" this little happiness, no one will "lend their hearing". -drl
Post #55,639 by boxley 10/8/02 10:29:00 PM Reply	thats not unix culture! unix culture is box goes into the governors office. Everyone was afraid to ask him if he wanted a computer thingy. I goes "Governor do you want a pc at your desk so you can get up to date information about your business and also hook into the state data net?" He goes "I already have the most up to date system." I goes "huh?" he points at the telephone and sez"when I pick that up I ask whatever I want to know and they answer me with it" I goes away thinking kewl, never thought about it that way. That is a classic unix response. The attitide you are refering to is the MSCE who knows 4 more mouse clicks than the loser and nods his head in mysterious cluelessness and goes yelping and whining to the bofh with every little problem and stabs said bofh in the back every chance he gets. (hi Jeff) thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #55,679 by pwhysall 10/9/02 3:36:00 AM Reply	Oi! MCSE is bloody hard, I should know. :-) Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #55,702 by boxley 10/9/02 8:04:34 AM Reply	paper msce then will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #55,705 by pwhysall 10/9/02 8:15:18 AM Reply	Haha. One might have been capable of being a paper MCSE back in the days of NT4, but in the W2K world it's just not a runner - there's 7 exams (4 core plus three electives) and they're bloody hard for a total of 24 hours of exams. I did thirty days of training and that doesn't including the days and days I spend swotting for the exams themselves. Paper MCSE? A term thrown about by those who don't know what the current MCSE qualification entails, methinks :-) Often, I think, the term arises in reference to MCPs - i.e. individuals who have passed ONE exam. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #55,734 by boxley 10/9/02 10:04:50 AM Reply	based on having one as a project manager She had the cert (nt4.0 at the time) and was screaming at me because she couldnt figure out how to open MSword under win3.1. She trained on 95 it seems and never actually took apart a computer much less understood how networks work. If the training has gotten better I will not refer to them that way again. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #55,678 by pwhysall 10/9/02 3:31:48 AM Reply	Good grief. Did someone piss in your beer? Oh, that's right. Rick did :-) "He just won't babysit." Yep - babysitting "whiners" is not something the worthy do. Of course, you could have a user like I have, who is the chief accountant and ABSOLUTELY essential to the business, but married to console mode and so almost afraid to use his mouse. Now, sometimes I have to "babysit" this "whiner". Poor pitiful me, having to suffer this. Here's the deal. You're paid to support the accountant. Get over it. BTW, I think you've identified a training need there. Linux is a free operating system. The support is free, but the price of entry is that if you want help from the likes of Rick or even lil' ol' me, you're going to have to show some evidence of having done a little work yourself, before asking us to do it for you. Don't like that idea? [link\|http://www.microsoft.com/windows/default.mspx\|Click here]. Or even [link\|http://www.redhat.com/services/consulting/learning/\|here]. I'm a lurker on the official Exchange and Outlook newsgroups. I hardly look at them now, because the same old tired questions, THAT ARE ANSWERED IN THE DOCUMENTATION, clog it up. If you whine, like you did, it's a big lose because: 1. You don't give anyone any reason to help you. Why should we care that something "doesn't work"? 2. You don't give anyone who might be inclined to help any information at all to help them help you. Getting all pissy with Barry over the principle of wasting the company's time and money doing stuff you're not supposed to be doing doesn't help, either. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]

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