tight burrows and squeeking

Post #55,434 by boxley 10/8/02 12:48:36 AM Reply	tight burrows and squeeking if the source is out there and you an use whats available there is no issues. If you wish to extend the source it might be up to you locally if the originators take enhancements in house. It is ACOS because the current LVM is a couple of scripts and barely useful. If you get something useful let me know because Neilson thinks this is the cats asshole and won look at me because I am not certified in this area, ping other server if othe server doesnt respond take over thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] qui mori didicit servire dedidicit
Post #55,452 by broomberg 10/8/02 6:40:43 AM Reply	Translation please?
Post #55,473 by boxley 10/8/02 8:47:45 AM Reply	If you got the source its your to do what you please with it. No licensing issues. If the job it does appears to keep you happy for 2 years that is forever in IT time. I am currently twisted a the neilson folks who wont interview me because I dont have X time running LVM. Since it is "barely" better than a couple of keep alive and redundant scripts I have written myself to keep several machines up no matter what I feel slighted. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] qui mori didicit servire dedidicit
Post #55,484 by broomberg 10/8/02 10:38:31 AM Reply	Sorry but you are wrong. LVM is a volume manager, and is WAY more than a couple of scripts. I'ts more like Veritas VM. And based on your assumption and reaction, I'd feel the same way about you if I was interviewing you for a position and exhibited that level of confident ignorance. IT time frames are based on either 3 or 5 years, ie: IRS writeoff time. Even if you are confident it'll be scrapped in 2, you HAVE to pretend to plan for the full time. And if you constantly build new systems, that time frame NEVER ends, so you have to plan for forever. And NOBODY is allowed to hack VM code at my company, nor are we qualified to hire someone who can. So we have to minimize our possibility for failure, and steer away from stuff we know we can't do.
Post #55,597 by boxley 10/8/02 8:03:48 PM Reply	not an interview but not even a call for an interview apologies I was writing about LVS(linux virtual server)not LVM(logical volume manager)pop! (removing head from ass). You are correct in what you asserted. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #55,613 by deSitter 10/8/02 8:57:38 PM Reply	Re: Sorry What the hell got into you? When did you become such a prick? Are you back on drugs? Mabye you should be. Oxley would be a fucking credit to ANY organization, even one fronting - ahem - a giant like you. -drl
Post #55,617 by ben_tilly 10/8/02 9:08:04 PM Reply	You are reading that differently than I do Barry isn't saying what Bill Oxley would be like as an employee. He is saying how that snippet would come across if he didn't know anything about Oxley. And then added context. Which Oxley confirmed. As for why Barry said that, my guess is that it is because Bill Oxley is someone that Barry wouldn't mind hiring if he gets the opportunity, and if opportunity comes, Barry wants to see that work. Plus Barry likes a [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=50098\|good squabble] from time to time... Cheers, Ben PS Note who got all confused and worried in the thread that I linked to.... :-) "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #55,620 by deSitter 10/8/02 9:15:35 PM Reply	Re: You are reading that differently than I do I've known him via posts since 1996 or 1997 or so. Gradually his posts have taken the tone "Even in the midst of economic disaster, my enormous talent has staved off catastrophe time after time." And then, completely out of the blue, he basically tells Ox to fuck off when Ox didn't want to fuck "on" in the first place. -drl
Post #55,636 by boxley 10/8/02 10:09:33 PM Reply	naw barry's cool, he will grunt out a position and I will snarl back at him, no prob. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #55,643 by broomberg 10/8/02 10:38:29 PM Reply	Wow, I NEEDED to reread that link I've been working with someone for about 6 years. He was at this company 5 years before me. A smart, very personable, technically oriented individual. He LOVED to help people. And he got fired over it. Well, not exactly fired over it, but was canned after making enough mistakes that his boss finally had an excuse to can him. Ya see, he spent so much time helping others, his own job performance slipped. Which in turn made his boss look like an idiot since he wasn't managing his employees well. I was in a meeting a while back with him. He was very helpful. He made suggestions that might actually have worked. But he wasn't REALLY sure, so he started down the path of over commiting and failure. I tried to get him to back down and not make so many suggestions. To keep his mouth shut for a while. To figure out the landscape, and the person who he was trying to help would use him as a scapegoat. I was unable to save him. That REALLY sucked. Note: Even with my "Godlike" powers (according to De), he was a lost cause. That was the about the time frame of the previous post that Ben pointed to. So my buddy was let go. At least he got a reasonable package out of the process. He started a new job pretty soon, but at a far lower salary. And was fired within 2 weeks. Not a team player. Huh? One of the most kind, considerate, sociable people I have ever met, "not a team player". Becase he made too many suggestions. He threatened the person in charge, the guy who set everything up. Note: He was TOLD to make suggestions. Just like Thane was. But they didn't really mean it. So now he is looking again. And this time, he WILL keep his mouth shut for a LONG time. DeS: I'm an above average techie. And I am in awe of the real brilliant people. And I don't spout politics to people who can harm me. And I try to get others to do the same. So shoot me. And while Greg may be one of brilliant, he's also fun to twist. I'd comment on you, but some day, someone will read this, and pass judgement on my ability to take crap from a random person, and I will shine. Box: We are in agreement, as usual, except for your home page. I REALLY wish you'd have a pure resume page. You said you can't afford two. So kill the jokes and the stuff that scares the HR idiots. Put it back when you have a secure job.
Post #55,646 by boxley 10/8/02 10:48:47 PM Reply	perhaps your co-worker had acheived go-nogo I have been in positions where I will offer suggestions that will be met with silence and active undermining, knowing such is going on and having had my fill of BS I will take great pleasure in rubbing noses into their shit until I am gone. Maybe he was at that point I dont know. As far as the web page goes the links are gone except for drudge and the dam cat. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #55,648 by deSitter 10/8/02 11:02:59 PM Reply	Re: Wow, I NEEDED to reread that link You completely fail to understand - real helpfulness is a NATURAL state of mind, and is ALWAYS appreciated - in human, and not technical, ways. You are simply not helpful, and you've taken it to a new level - of disdain for the helpful - with this pitiful example of the possible costs (it always comes down to money with you). -drl
Post #55,652 by broomberg 10/8/02 11:37:05 PM Reply	Helpfulness? Not really. Helpfulness in the office based in reciprocity. There is a balance. My time is OWNED by my boss. There is an exact $$ amount that I cost. Time wasted is money lost. Even worse, I am expected to provide far greater value back to the company to cover my cost, plus overhead and profit. And my boss' bonus. So more money is lost than my salary when I stray. My boss' job to to correctly deploy his resources. He directs me, I do. I am usually self directed in that I have a dozen things in mind that I think I should be doing, but I keep my boss informed of my todo list, and he sets my top 2. So a random person is struggling. They are probably payed different from me, and their projects are also of different value. If they are far less than me, and I take time to help them without being directed, I am wasting company resources for no known reason. Maybe they are expected to take 2 weeks to do something I can do in a day, but they are payed less or use cheaper resources, so it is OK. On the other hand, if they are far more than me, I hopefully am contributing to a more important matter, but I can't know for sure. Either way, it is NOT my decision. It is my boss' decision. If it is a different department, with a different cost structure, then another manager is taking resources from my department. It is up to my boss to explicitly give permission to help. Note: We will ALWAYS take a few minutes to help anyone without this complex calculation. Especially if it involves teaching someone something, since that benefits everyone, which in turn is good for the company as a whole. But if it stretches past a few minutes, then we back off and tell them to talk to the boss. And if certain individuals come back again and again, while not performing a reciprocal favor, the balance is lost, and we will go out of our way NOT to help them. Maybe a certain manager has an inferiority complex, always hires idiots, who then go leach off others. You NEVER want to help these people. I sat down next to a new hire today. He been here 2 weeks. He seemed to be struggling. We all report up to the same person, but we have different titles and much different skill sets. He was doing a database update that should have taken 10 minutes, and he was on his 3rd hour. It was due in another hour. I talked it out with him. I then went to our boss, and asked if I could give an hour to both do the update and teach him how. I could have done it in about 3 minutes, but then he would have learned nothing. So I asked for more time and it worked out for everyone.
Post #55,653 by deSitter 10/8/02 11:39:20 PM Reply	As I said ..it always comes down to money with you. As long as you can justify the bottom line, any amount of hostility is justified. -drl
Post #55,654 by deSitter 10/8/02 11:39:36 PM Reply	As I said ..it always comes down to money with you. -drl
Post #55,656 by boxley 10/8/02 11:42:39 PM Reply	headcount headcount headcount for every IT action there is a bill due to someone. If you want sysadmin a to do b then there is a dollar cost associated with it. Training cost money. If it is out of your Organisational responsabilty someone owes a buck. re-read catch22. It is applicable to what we do. Doesnt always have to be dollar related but usually is. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] "Therefore, by objective standards, the leading managers of the U.S. economy...are collectively, clinically insane." Lyndon LaRouche
Post #55,657 by deSitter 10/8/02 11:43:59 PM Reply	And by the way.. ..helpfulness is based in a desire to see people succeed and prosper, not in "reciprocity" or whatever other binary structure you want to put into the place of feelings. -drl
Post #55,659 by broomberg 10/8/02 11:49:37 PM Reply	You don't understand responsibility It is always easy to spend other people's money. It is easy on the ego too. Look at me, I'm helpful. Wheeee. What is difficult is to restrain that urge, and do what you are paid to do.
Post #55,663 by deSitter 10/9/02 12:13:29 AM Reply	Oh that's rich! I am paid to make computers work FOR HUMAN BEINGS. That necessarily involves being helpful, because most of them have their feelings intact, and sometimes need reassurance and guidance in how to use them - you see, they somehow got the idea that people who make computers dance are smarter and better than they are, and they feel intimidated. It may be that GEEKS have gone out of their way to make things hard for them, because these GEEKS don't have THEIR feelings intact, and so go out of their way to piss on "lusers" who do out of hostility. Yes, I've had people who came back time and time again. So I showed them, time and time again. I think they wanted me back because I listened to them - they really knew how to do it, but they also knew I would listen. You never seem to factor feelings into the picture. That's too messy. That's not binary. -drl
Post #55,667 by broomberg 10/9/02 12:38:19 AM Reply	Hey. you mean they PAY you? You don't do it out of the goodness of your heart? I'm so sad. I thought you did it out of a tendancy toward human kindness.
Post #55,669 by deSitter 10/9/02 12:52:33 AM Reply	Imagine! -drl
Post #55,664 by deSitter 10/9/02 12:19:36 AM Reply	Also.. Who the fuck are YOU to lecture me about responsibility? You work in your family business. You can't fail. Like I told the Legend - get a day job. -drl
Post #55,666 by broomberg 10/9/02 12:35:56 AM Reply	Huh? No family business. I used to work with my brother, who had no ownership. He no longer works here. No companies in my family. Can't fail? I could be fired tomorrow, with NO recourse. Just stop producing. And start pretending the company's money is mine to waste as I please.
Post #55,668 by deSitter 10/9/02 12:50:11 AM Reply	My bad -drl

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