Re: Switch on brain !!!

Post #55,403 by staijo 10/7/02 10:50:19 PM Reply	Re: Switch on brain !!! > You asked for this <grin> > > " I was reading some of the post around here about the "NO Fly Zones" and I have a >question to those people that don't think they are legal: > > 1. We have had the damn things in place for about 13 years now. If the UN thinks >they are wrong, Why aren't they asking us to stop? We have always said we were >supporting resolution 668(688?). Don't give me that we'd veto it bit. Koffi is >always glad to disagree with us in public and he would be all over the news if he >was saying the no fly zones were bad..." > > 1) 'legal' ??? - what f* has legality got to do with it. When you are the >world's only superpower & impose a no fly zone on another country it >is 'enforced' !!! - whoose legality are you looking for ???? - most of us were happy > to see US correct their appaling f-up re encoutraging the kurds to revolt then >being left to Iraqi massacre when US failed to back them up. I for one felt the >shame of seeing those poor bastards fleeing in panic from the Iraqi army after they >had first siezed control of northern Iraq at our urging. > Ok so the no fly zones are cool with you... > 2) "UN thinks they are wrong" ??? - who the f** said that - all we said was that >the no-fly zones were (read my lips) not imposed by the UN !!! - where is the >mystery or problem with that ??? - certain brainless people claimed or directly >implied that the no-fly zones were legal UN orders - Bush even tried implying this >but his implications were (if not dishonest) plain wrong. > > There are many of us here who are smart enough to know the difference between >facts - mistakes - deceptions - misleading impressions & plain lies. > > It seems that are also many who just can't tell the difference & who are dumb >enough to go into print without checking their facts or the quality of their >information - this would be forgiveable if ever these people acknowledged their >mistakes instead of (as is the case with certain people (or bots)) rolling on to >the next set of 're-interpretations of the facts' > > Cheers > > Doug Marker > Doug, My point is I see a difference. Saying we have the no fly zones to support the UN resolutions is not a lie. Ok, nowhere do the resolutions say "Establish no fly zones." Just like the resolutions aimed at getting Iraq out of Kwait(sp, late, lazy) did not say it's OK to bomb Bagdad. The UN resolutions gave us an inch, we took a mile. It's kind of the way those things work. My whole point is that argueing about this now is pointless. The no fly zones exist. They will be there until Saddam goes away. Switch brain on and Move on..... james
Post #55,408 by dmarker2 10/7/02 11:21:58 PM Reply	Re: But if claims are made, they should stand .. Some of us a merely pointing out that many claims made about Iraq are either mistakes, are deceptions or plain lies. I haven't seen one person here argue that Saddam is not a thuggish dictator deserving of a swift visit to Allah. The arguments have been mostly about the claims as to why at this time US can justify a unilateral attack when there is clearly worldwide and UN opposition to a war call. The republicans are playing with the facts & truth. They don't have UN backing - hence the hints that the UN will be sidelined unless the scurity council 'rolls over'. I know bare faced threats when I hear them - I hope you do too. Bush keeps claiming to speak on behalf of the world - a bare faced lie. Bush says he has a coalition. Again a complete distortion in that he has Italy and UK whoose PMs both do not have the support of their own countries other than to act through the UN. Australian PM has offered Bush support but the vast majority of Australians are telling Howard that it must be through the UN. When a president keeps lying, the world is a dangerous place - some of us begin to wonder who the bigger threat to peace is and as awful as it sounds, Bush's lack of facts & justifications paints an awful picture of his administration & in turns puts the whole US in a bad light in the world. But what the f* as I said before when you are the only superpoer f* the rest of the world & that seems to be the republican mantra based on their actions. Cheers Doug
Post #55,458 by Brandioch 10/8/02 7:28:44 AM Reply	Whatever. My point is I see a difference. Saying we have the no fly zones to support the UN resolutions is not a lie. Ok, nowhere do the resolutions say "Establish no fly zones." That's right. No where does it state that. No where. Just like the resolutions aimed at getting Iraq out of Kwait(sp, late, lazy) did not say it's OK to bomb Bagdad. Ummmm, an invasionary force went into another country and we went to war against said invasionary force. We were NOT acting upon a UN resolution at that time. The UN resolutions gave us an inch, we took a mile. It's kind of the way those things work. Only when it is us. By your same "logic", it would be "okay" for us to start bombing Israel whenever the UN sanctions them. Now, something for you to realize is that the ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD has no problem seeing Bush's rationalizations for what they are. The UN passes a resolution requesting humanitarian aid for the Kurds and we interpret that to mean we can kill Iraqis. Request: "Please help the homeless in this season of giving." Translation: "I can shoot landlords." Again, the entire rest of the world sees Bush's rationalizations for what they are. There isn't one other country that supports our unilateral invasion. What was that you said about UN resolutions? When they say "humanitarian aid", we think "shoot pilots". Yet when the UN will NOT support our invasion plans, we will go ahead unilaterally. So, when the UN supports our plans, we do what we want. When the UN doesn't support our plans, we do what we want. When the UN passes a resolution, we interpret it to mean that we can do what we want. I'm seeing a pattern here. I'm not sure if everyone else is.
Post #55,464 by dmarker2 10/8/02 8:23:07 AM Reply	Re: Pattern is very clear ... We iz de supapowa - we sez wot goez - don't fuk wid us !!!! Blat blat blat - Boom - blat blat - Boom - Blatt - Kerummmmppphhhhh - KA-Whooooosh You got da message yet ??? (with appologies to Rambo) Cheers Doug Marker <sickly grin>
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Post #55,627 by staijo 10/8/02 9:39:19 PM Reply	Re: Whatever. > >By your same "logic", it would be "okay" for us to start bombing Israel whenever the UN sanctions them. > Well, maybe, depends on what they are doing.... > >Now, something for you to realize is that the ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD has no problem seeing Bush's rationalizations for what they are. > Thanks, sometimes there is a fine line between a rationalization and a lie. Oh and NEWS FLASH, the British still have planes flying to protect the no fly zones. So much for the "ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD", Oh, forgot about the Israels. Bet they have no problem with it. Oh, forgot about what's left of the Kurds and Shittes(sp? again). Bet they don't have a problem with it either. Damn, that entire rest of the world actually gets smaller and smaller when you ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE FACTS. Of course, you are not REALLY interested in the facts. You want to make claims like "ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD" and have people believe it as fact. BSSSSTTTT would you like to try for double jepordy? James
Post #55,713 by dmarker2 10/9/02 8:37:11 AM Reply	Re: Sorry, but we have a low mips problem here!!!
Post #56,413 by staijo 10/12/02 7:45:30 PM Reply	Re: Yep, you are due an upgrade...

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