Re: It isn't, necessarily

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Post #54,573 by deSitter 10/2/02 7:58:33 PM Reply	Re: It isn't, necessarily What's wrong with all of us? We're all using scripting languages. -drl
Post #54,574 by ben_tilly 10/2/02 8:03:32 PM Reply	Why is that wrong? Computers have reached a point where for most of what needs to be done, programmer time is orders of magnitude more valuable than computer cycles. Scripting languages do a better job at that balance than system languages do. There is also a productivity sweet spot with teams of 2-6 people. So if you can get a development effort down to needing that many people, it is an absurdly big win. Cheers, Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #54,629 by tuberculosis 10/3/02 8:37:49 AM Reply	Not me I spent the weekend marrying [link\|http://www.fscript.org\|FScript] and [link\|http://www.toodarkpark.org/computers/objc/\|Objective C] with [link\|http://www.ghg.net/clips/CLIPS.html\|CLIPS]. I need to do a cocoa UI and a palette for Interface Builder. Then you'll have expert systems capabilities at your fingertips as needed. Just define the rules for your objects and the system enforces them. Also need to define several deftemplates for common system classes. Java, C##, Javascript, these languages are all from the dark ages. Who needs em? I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
Post #55,026 by tonytib 10/5/02 1:55:11 AM Reply	You've got life easy just try dealing with some of the stuff I sometimes have to deal with in industrial automation -- they make C look good. For example, recently, I have had to write a Logo! program in its version of ladder logic, Aromat IEC61131 program (I used Structured Text, which looks a bit like Pascal, but has some very interesting quirks), and an Animatics SmartMotor program (roughly similar to GW BASIC). At least all three of them were short. Python is so much more fun -- and productive. Thankfully, I've been doing some of that, too lately, along a bit of wiring and electrical troubleshooting. I haven't blown anything up yet -- but some of my coworkers tried. Tony

Comments Invited on Adobe Javascript - (deSitter) - (40) - Oct. 1, 2002, 11:44:40 PM EDT

Why can't they pick a better language? - (ben_tilly) - (37) - Oct. 2, 2002, 06:25:28 AM EDT

I agree. - (static) - (4) - Oct. 2, 2002, 08:08:22 AM EDT

Re: I agree. - (deSitter) - (3) - Oct. 2, 2002, 09:48:51 AM EDT

Same language... - (ChrisR) - (1) - Oct. 2, 2002, 12:21:23 PM EDT

Re: Same language... - (deSitter) - Oct. 2, 2002, 12:44:40 PM EDT

I didn't look. - (static) - Oct. 2, 2002, 10:16:32 PM EDT

You Perl people must like... - (ChrisR) - (31) - Oct. 2, 2002, 03:03:22 PM EDT

not new vernacular but sigil doesnt mean sigil anymore? - (boxley) - Oct. 2, 2002, 04:19:33 PM EDT

I didn't invent it - (ben_tilly) - (29) - Oct. 2, 2002, 07:03:51 PM EDT

Re: I didn't invent it - (deSitter) - (28) - Oct. 2, 2002, 07:37:42 PM EDT

It isn't, necessarily - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Oct. 2, 2002, 07:55:24 PM EDT

Re: It isn't, necessarily - (deSitter) - (3) - Oct. 2, 2002, 07:58:33 PM EDT

Why is that wrong? - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 2, 2002, 08:03:32 PM EDT

Not me - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2002, 08:37:49 AM EDT

You've got life easy - (tonytib) - Oct. 5, 2002, 01:55:11 AM EDT

Not idiomatically. - (static) - (22) - Oct. 2, 2002, 10:19:07 PM EDT

In Perl they are dereferencing operators -NT - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 2, 2002, 10:26:22 PM EDT

semicolon rant IV - (tablizer) - (20) - Oct. 3, 2002, 01:43:33 AM EDT

Or you can use periods. - (tuberculosis) - (19) - Oct. 3, 2002, 08:41:17 AM EDT

re: periods - (tablizer) - (18) - Oct. 5, 2002, 12:40:32 AM EDT

re: periods - (deSitter) - (17) - Oct. 6, 2002, 06:29:49 PM EDT

Huh? -NT - (tablizer) - (16) - Oct. 8, 2002, 11:40:57 PM EDT

Re: Huh? - (deSitter) - (15) - Oct. 9, 2002, 11:59:35 AM EDT

Who is "everyone"? - (tablizer) - (5) - Oct. 17, 2002, 03:53:17 PM EDT

Once More With Feeling - (deSitter) - (4) - Oct. 17, 2002, 05:09:06 PM EDT

I don't care about the 1970's, I hate them here and now - (tablizer) - (3) - Oct. 18, 2002, 11:20:43 PM EDT

Simple solution. - (static) - Oct. 19, 2002, 12:43:55 AM EDT

The Galileo of Computing! - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 19, 2002, 01:54:47 AM EDT

Others complain too - (tablizer) - Oct. 22, 2002, 02:32:44 AM EDT

Wrong. - (admin) - (2) - Oct. 17, 2002, 05:12:06 PM EDT

Re: Wrong. - (deSitter) - (1) - Oct. 17, 2002, 05:34:53 PM EDT

This is a general trend - (ben_tilly) - Oct. 18, 2002, 07:25:31 AM EDT

Historical trivia that applies... - (hnick) - (5) - Oct. 17, 2002, 05:41:27 PM EDT

Nah, not Kernighan and Ritchie. - (a6l6e6x) - (4) - Oct. 17, 2002, 09:59:49 PM EDT

Right, Not K&R - (hnick) - (3) - Oct. 18, 2002, 08:13:04 AM EDT

Don't be. Sorry, I mean. -NT - (CRConrad) - Oct. 18, 2002, 08:30:21 AM EDT

Re: Right, Not K&R - (deSitter) - Oct. 18, 2002, 12:37:33 PM EDT

Actually, might it have been a "standard" to fit terminals? - (wharris2) - Oct. 21, 2002, 12:00:00 PM EDT

Initial Comments - (ChrisR) - (1) - Oct. 2, 2002, 06:26:07 PM EDT

Re: Initial Comments - (deSitter) - Oct. 7, 2002, 10:01:48 AM EDT

You wouldn't know what normal was if it rode into town on the normal express, kicked down your door with its size normal boots, danced into your living room wearing nothing but the word "normal" and sang "normality is here again" on your dining room table whilst dancing the foxtrot.
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