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New My questions.
#1. The item in the pictures, is that the material or the container?

#2. The item is clearly marked. Can the markings be used to determine its origin (yes, I know it says "made in W. Germany").

#3. Can the markings be used to determine its age?

#4. Can the above information be used to determine WHERE it was stolen from and by who?

I remember stories about missing uranium and such back in the 60's. But I'm not familiar with any recently.

Also, our government (and allies) keep strict track (so they claim) of all uranium/plutonium/etc. If this is from one of those, our FIRST responsibility would be to FIND THAT LEAK and determine how much material has been stolen.

Even old uranium/plutonium can be dangerous. Even if it isn't enough to build a nuke with. Not as flashy, but still dangerous.

Where did that come from?

When did it come from there?

How much more is missing?

Who took it?
New a couple of answers ooma
#1. The item in the pictures, is that the material or the container?
container otherwise the film would have been damaged

#2. The item is clearly marked. Can the markings be used to determine its origin (yes, I know it says "made in W. Germany").
any lead containment stolen anytime between 1964 + (when we put tac nukes over there)

#3. Can the markings be used to determine its age?
yes

#4. Can the above information be used to determine WHERE it was stolen from and by who?
no because the container is just that.

Also, our government (and allies) keep strict track (so they claim) of all uranium/plutonium/etc. If this is from one of those, our FIRST responsibility would be to FIND THAT LEAK and determine how much material has been stolen.
do you know any quartermasters and what the (obvious) problem is?.
thanx,
bill

will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

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New Re: My questions.
First off, the age of the stuff, whether U235 or Pu is irrelevant - half lifes are in the millions of years. As Another Scott pointed out above - only Tritium is of concern there: 12.3 years.

Before the near-bankruptcy, USSR's control was reliably (!?) reported to be quite better than our own. Ex: Rocky Flats, that cesspool of nearby permanent Pu contamination in Colo - had rilly sloppy accounting. Hey! Pantex et al do their stuff for Profit! Imagine a CIEIO, then reread or rewatch [link|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6305474842/103-8167427-4704617| Silkwood], that almost-documentary film which demonstrates capitalism's concern for workers [Kerr-McGee in that case] - especially those handling perhaps the most insidious substance known: or one of the top five if you include bio.

Unless you're stacking side-by-side - near critical-mass amounts, there's little radiation hazard involved with these materials re transport. It wouldn't fog the film either. Too lazy to look up the energies of the emissions, disintegration rates, etc, - but not a big deal -- as with fission products from reactors, with short half-lives and correspondingly huge emissions.

Dunno either about the W.Germany thing - it's a bit like "Made in China, 453 BC" on an artifact (?) I'd guess that's a shield of some kind because U is too hard to "stamp things" into its surface. Besides, it's pyrophoric = strike two sharp pieces together: just like a flint! with trails of sparks and smoke. Used to do that with DU (depleted U, used around accelerators as shielding..)

But I don't see why shielding's needed except maybe to smuggle and not trip lo-level detectors. U is a grayish metal, usually near-black via immediate oxidation in air - and it is near the densest stuff around (IIRC Osmium a bit denser).

They'll need a mass spectrometer to assess the isotopes present - should already have been done. You could deduce something also from measuring the energy and dpm - but you would get surface mostly, which might be seeded / as a scam (the U shields itself re lo-energy emissions from the central core - another reason the surface radiation is mostly inconsequential in the short term exposure, unless there's so much that fission is occurring at a low rate).

With 2000 Tons 'out there', created during our 45+ years of total panic-madness: ... no one could ever 'prove' it's all accounted for - even if we trusted governments more than we know we can ('t).


What me worry?

Ashton

familiarity breeds contempt.
did you know that a Pu sphere of critical mass feels warm to the touch? (*when imploded* that means; if crit mass uncompressed! well you can see no one would ever get to find out! even as a fizzle) - and it's a bit eerie in texture.. Maybe that odd 'feel' is nature's way of saying wordlessy:

You Stupid Fucking Species! are gonna mess up the planet for *all* life, not just your own sociopathic egos !!

Peace.
New Ditto. And some more links.
Unless you're stacking side-by-side - near critical-mass amounts, there's little radiation hazard involved with these materials re transport. It wouldn't fog the film either. Too lazy to look up the energies of the emissions, disintegration rates, etc, - but not a big deal -- as with fission products from reactors, with short half-lives and correspondingly huge emissions.

Dunno either about the W.Germany thing - it's a bit like "Made in China, 453 BC" on an artifact (?) I'd guess that's a shield of some kind because U is too hard to "stamp things" into its surface. Besides, it's pyrophoric = strike two sharp pieces together: just like a flint! with trails of sparks and smoke. Used to do that with DU (depleted U, used around accelerators as shielding..)

But I don't see why shielding's needed except maybe to smuggle and not trip lo-level detectors. U is a grayish metal, usually near-black via immediate oxidation in air - and it is near the densest stuff around (IIRC Osmium a bit denser).


I generally agree.

The writing on the thing looks like paint to me. As I calculated earlier, I don't think that the cylinder is anything more than the U in question. Also, as you mention, [link|http://web.ead.anl.gov/uranium/guide/ucompound/propertiesu/alloys.cfm|this ] page says that U oxidizes readily in air, so it would make sense that the material was protected by some type of coating after manufacturing. So the black material may be some type of paint/coating as well. I think the lead mentioned in the news story was simply to try to minimize detection by Geiger counters and the like, and not shown in the picture.

[link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2286597.stm|This] BBC story says the previous interception of 1 kg of U was wrapped in newspaper. As you point out, U isn't terribly radioactive as long as too much isn't in one place. The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists had a story many years ago about US plutonium processing plants and showed several pictures of people holding "cakes" of Pu using nothing more than cotton gloves to handle it.

[link|http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/gen-comm/info-notices/1983/in83073.html|An NRC document on contamination of leather gloves during handling of U in a melting process.] [link|http://www.antenna.nl/wise/uranium/rup.html#DUMETAL|Lots of info on uranium, including decay products] - it's primarily an alpha and beta emitter.

Just a bit more fuel for the fire. :-)

Cheers,
Scott.
     Turks seize 33 pounds of weapons grade uranium. - (Another Scott) - (24)
         Probably being smuggled into Israel non of the arabs want it -NT - (boxley)
         Obvious question - (ben_tilly) - (4)
             No way of knowing. That's part of what makes it scary. :-( -NT - (Another Scott) - (3)
                 Re: Also scary is ... - (dmarker2) - (2)
                     That's Even More Scary -NT - (deSitter) - (1)
                         ..but.. - (deSitter)
         Cylinder says "Made in W. Germany" - (Another Scott) - (5)
             If it was made in Germany... - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                 What Ben said - - (Ashton)
                 it's the defacto trade language - (SpiceWare)
             W? - (mhuber) - (1)
                 Yup that does seem strange. But Life/2 not an issue. - (Another Scott)
         My questions. - (Brandioch) - (3)
             a couple of answers ooma - (boxley)
             Re: My questions. - (Ashton) - (1)
                 Ditto. And some more links. - (Another Scott)
         Nothing to see here. Move along. - (marlowe)
         Nothing to see here: tiny amount of (some kind of) U - (Ashton) - (5)
             Yup. 5 oz. Suspects were released too. - (altmann) - (4)
                 WTF? - (Brandioch) - (1)
                     It is much easier to "explain" what happened when there... - (a6l6e6x)
                 How do they manage to miscount by that much? - (marlowe) - (1)
                     I don't smell anything fishy... - (Simon_Jester)
         5 oz of zinc, iron, zirconium and manganese seized. - (Another Scott)

I have a cunning plan...
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