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Post #5,334
by Another Scott
8/15/01 7:01:53 PM
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New Nope, I missed it.
Sounds thoroughly depressing, like much of the news these days.

:-(

I briefly looked at npr.org but the only thing that showed in a search for "Russia" on 8/13/01 was an ATC segment. Was it a national broadcast? Do you recall the name of the show?

Thanks.

Cheers,
Scott.
Post #5,341
by Ashton
8/15/01 8:10:40 PM
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New Found it:
[link|http://www.kqed.org/radio/presentations/index.html#cityarts|KQED-FM listing]

Monday, August 13, 2001: Russia: Facing the Future \ufffd Moderator: Michael Nacht, Goldman School of Public Policy; Speakers: Judyth Twigg, Virginia Commonwealth University; Bruce Blair, President, Center for Defense Information.

World Affairs Council - I confused with Commonwealth Club - because of ref. I didn't check yet to see if .pdf is available - can get audio tapes of most, though.

Also I know CDI. IMO one of the more competent groups in DC. Visited them, support them with $ every year. Believe they have no political axes - just intelligence about military and related issues. (Center for Defense Information)

Yup. Bad. Worse because.. nothing hyperbolic in this presentation; their experience extends to time in USSR in the old days. Blair mentioned how strained are many of his personal relationships there, today.

I also have a couple friends from the LBL days, peripherally involved in above, over the years. They are quite unhappy at the recklessness and (didn't quite say 'blind stupidity') of ABM, NATO rhetoric -- and our foolish ineptness at critical junctures since the Wall came down.

I remember thinking at that time (really!): "..now if we will just offer some mini-Marshall plan so that this humongous conversion process can have sound foundation -- we'll save Trillions and suffering, end McCarthyism forever and... and this madness will actually terminate!" Silly me.

(We seemed to love Gorby and count on his manufacturing a mini-US just for us - never mind how much he pissed off his own folks.) We have no empathy or in this case - gratitude for a real break! Just self-congratulatory hubris + "what's the $ cost?"


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     WashPost OpEd: Why Russians fears missile defense. - (Another Scott) - (49) - Aug. 15, 2001, 11:25:40 AM EDT
         Re: WashPost OpEd: Why Russians fears missile defense. - (addison) - (44) - Aug. 15, 2001, 11:42:25 AM EDT
             So lemme get this straight... - (jb4) - (41) - Aug. 15, 2001, 01:47:34 PM EDT
                 None of the above - (wharris2) - Aug. 15, 2001, 02:16:45 PM EDT
                 I'll attempt to straighten you out... - (addison) - (39) - Aug. 15, 2001, 02:19:35 PM EDT
                     It's not so simple. - (Another Scott) - (30) - Aug. 15, 2001, 03:59:33 PM EDT
                         No, its not. - (addison) - (16) - Aug. 15, 2001, 04:45:48 PM EDT
                             Couple of things. - (Another Scott) - (15) - Aug. 15, 2001, 05:16:52 PM EDT
                                 Re: Couple of things. - (addison) - (14) - Aug. 15, 2001, 05:43:20 PM EDT
                                     Battling analogies. Bring it on! :-) - (Another Scott) - (3) - Aug. 15, 2001, 06:17:09 PM EDT
                                         Re: Battling analogies. Bring it on! :-) - (addison) - (2) - Aug. 15, 2001, 08:28:49 PM EDT
                                             Morels! :-) - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2001, 09:12:26 PM EDT
                                                 A thousand pardons. :-( - (Another Scott) - Aug. 16, 2001, 02:31:12 AM EDT
                                     The only real problems I see with the ABM shield... - (Simon_Jester) - (9) - Aug. 16, 2001, 09:35:39 AM EDT
                                         My take.... - (bepatient) - (8) - Aug. 16, 2001, 10:15:49 AM EDT
                                             Impossible - (wharris2) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2001, 10:23:22 AM EDT
                                                 There's that issue, too. - (bepatient) - Aug. 16, 2001, 10:32:36 AM EDT
                                             Re: My take.... - (jb4) - (5) - Aug. 16, 2001, 01:56:05 PM EDT
                                                 Every once in a while... - (bepatient) - (4) - Aug. 16, 2001, 04:20:27 PM EDT
                                                     Don't get too used to it...;-) -NT - (jb4) - (3) - Aug. 17, 2001, 09:37:02 AM EDT
                                                         I was humbled more... - (bepatient) - (2) - Aug. 17, 2001, 10:34:12 AM EDT
                                                             Credit where credit is due! -NT - (jb4) - Aug. 17, 2001, 02:06:09 PM EDT
                                                             I used to be humble - (Ashton) - Aug. 17, 2001, 05:45:43 PM EDT
                         Re: Installing in Alaska will do nothing against a threat... - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - Aug. 15, 2001, 05:59:23 PM EDT
                             Alaska was picked because North Korea was viewed ... - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2001, 06:47:05 PM EDT
                                 Alaska was picked because Sen for life Ted Stevens - (boxley) - Aug. 15, 2001, 09:24:59 PM EDT
                         Scott - catch NPR discussion Mon re Russia version? - (Ashton) - (9) - Aug. 15, 2001, 06:54:21 PM EDT
                             Nope, I missed it. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2001, 07:01:53 PM EDT
                                 Found it: - (Ashton) - Aug. 15, 2001, 08:10:40 PM EDT
                             Question: how do they propose to do this? - (wharris2) - (6) - Aug. 16, 2001, 10:32:01 AM EDT
                                 Doverai ni proverai.. - (Ashton) - (5) - Aug. 17, 2001, 01:32:01 AM EDT
                                     What is ideal? - (wharris2) - (4) - Aug. 17, 2001, 04:46:46 AM EDT
                                         An excellent solution: ABMs for all. - (Ashton) - (3) - Aug. 17, 2001, 07:16:05 AM EDT
                                             giggling wildly - (wharris2) - (2) - Aug. 17, 2001, 10:58:43 PM EDT
                                                 ..only in your rare moments of relative.... lucidity :-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - (1) - Aug. 18, 2001, 02:17:49 AM EDT
                                                     *my* rare moments? -NT - (wharris2) - Aug. 19, 2001, 12:20:52 PM EDT
                     You don't straighten any thing out by adding wrinkles - (jb4) - (7) - Aug. 16, 2001, 01:45:59 PM EDT
                         I didn't. - (addison) - (6) - Aug. 21, 2001, 02:31:51 PM EDT
                             To add a little - (wharris2) - (5) - Aug. 22, 2001, 02:27:41 AM EDT
                                 The imminent threat is not addressed after wasting $BB - (jb4) - (4) - Aug. 22, 2001, 12:45:10 PM EDT
                                     That's merely one possibility. - (addison) - (3) - Aug. 22, 2001, 03:34:01 PM EDT
                                         All of you are missing something - (DonRichards) - (2) - Aug. 22, 2001, 04:53:38 PM EDT
                                             I don't think I'm missing that. - (addison) - (1) - Aug. 22, 2001, 08:55:54 PM EDT
                                                 I don't think I've the patience - (Ashton) - Aug. 23, 2001, 08:31:16 AM EDT
             Good Reason? - (deSitter) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2001, 05:11:27 PM EDT
                 OT: 1990-1991 recession wasn't "deep" - (Another Scott) - Aug. 17, 2001, 06:10:36 PM EDT
         We need a healthy Russian economy - (mhuber) - (3) - Aug. 16, 2001, 11:42:54 AM EDT
             Very well said. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 16, 2001, 12:44:13 PM EDT
             Precisamente.. and, it is so evidently basic - (Ashton) - Aug. 16, 2001, 04:09:41 PM EDT
             Good points! -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Aug. 16, 2001, 04:14:05 PM EDT

There is such a thing as dinner plates and what goes on them is mightily disappointing.
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