I would settle for a Professional Association

Post #53,215 by gdaustin 9/25/02 3:07:28 PM Reply	I would settle for a Professional Association Like the AMA for the doctors. Or the professional accounting associations, which have all the CPAs. What we need is professional licensing, so we can discriminate against those who can't pass the test, and raise our market rates. Glen Austin
Post #53,249 by ben_tilly 9/25/02 6:08:43 PM Reply	You know what that means? What we need is professional licensing, so we can discriminate against those who can't pass the test, and raise our market rates. Microsoft would get involved in writing the test, and we would all have to program in C# going forward. Ick. (Otherwise I would be for it, but technology changes fast, and a fixed test would get outdated fairly fast.) Ben "Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link\|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html\|Walter Mead]
Post #53,258 by broomberg 9/25/02 6:37:33 PM Reply	Like Ben said Who would get to choose the "right" way? I know "real" engineers and people with Master of Comp Sci who couldn't code their way out of a paper bag. Or who would choose assembler for simple text processing. It is an easy, attractive, simple solution. And it is wrong.
Post #53,314 by deSitter 9/26/02 9:56:22 AM Reply	Re: Like Ben said And it's why we need a union. We need protection as a distinct segment of labor. -drl
Post #53,270 by boxley 9/25/02 7:29:02 PM Reply	nope first thing they would require is a BS which is BS and would exclude me Ancienne Chevalier sur Hitechauge. You would have the same IT people Ernst and Young et al have knights of the NWAS order. We all know knights 0f the NWAS, they dont understand networks, redundancy, distributed computing and good practices and standards. If you have worked with big 5 IT consultants their idea of computing is laughable. They are business not IT. I still remember one of these drones in a new systems meeting. "Well I'll order an AS400 right away, get the terminals configured etc" me "Why dont we see what the product we buy runs on?" her "if it doesnt run on an AS400 we wont consider it!" Do you and the rest of the guys want to work with and for people like that? I would rather shovel elephant shit the zoo. will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] qui mori didicit servire dedidicit
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Post #53,285 by boxley 9/25/02 8:24:04 PM Reply	looks like smoozing the project manager in a ERP conversion will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] qui mori didicit servire dedidicit
Post #53,328 by tuberculosis 9/26/02 10:58:48 AM Reply	Hey, I resemble that! I worked for Andersen Consulting in Denver from 1992 - 1995. Of course, I was an "experienced hire" and kept in a little separated division so as not to contaminate the master race known as "main line" (isn't that a drug term). I stayed for one contract, an ambitious C++ project at USWest, then bailed when the next contract entailed full time commuting to San Ramon CA. As far as licensing goes - how fast does this industry change - really? I haven't seen anything but retrograde motion for 5 years. Professional licensing would have to be about basic principles and concepts - not specific languages and technologies. Rather like the EIT and PE exams. I don't know who I'd trust to run it though. I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
Post #53,612 by tonytib 9/27/02 7:36:08 PM Reply	Yes, and how relevant are PE exams? Not very to most of the engineering world, especially EE. Some of the best engineers I've met don't have a degree, let alone a PE license. Tony
Post #53,907 by tuberculosis 9/30/02 5:24:41 AM Reply	Depends on the specialty EE they're not too important in some areas (although some aerospace companies (Ball, Rockwell, Martin) used to encourage and require them for certain levels of responsibility as I recall). Civil, Mech, Mining, Petro, Chem, you can't hardly work without a PE or at least EIT working towards PE. In general, anytime you are doing work that affects public safety, you can't sign off on it without a PE. I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.

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