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>>QUOTE FROM DICK CHENEY
>>Cheney, "The problem is that the good Lord didn't see fit to put oil and gas >>reserves where there are democratic governments."

This was in reply to a question on how he could justify having done business with Burma. Not sure its a manifesto for rearranging ownership of reserves
in the Gulf region.

The U.S. HAS been *truly* concerned about Iraq's weapons programs for a long time. Even prior to the gulf war there was a scandal in Britain (America's aircraft carrier off the coast of Europe) over a supergun or "Babylon gun".
The scandal occurred precisely because it was supposedly forbidden to supply Iraq with weapons. Point is........concern over Iraq's weapons is not just a recent invention of convenience.

Iraq has sought WMDs and shown a willingness to use them not for defense....
but in a first strike capacity. During the Gulf war, Iraq targeted Israel in
an attempt to cause the conflict to spiral. Iraq has repeatedly flounted Security Council resolutions. Maybe it has something to hide....maybe it doesn't. Much like any person who refuses to be searched prior to boarding
a plane..... a very powerful presumption of guilt arises. Could this be a mistake? Absolutely. But does that make it wise to ignore it?

The reason we have not confronted Pakistan has less to do with their lack of oil and more to do with the fact that Pakistan has long been a strategic ally of China with a common enemy (India). If Iraq were a close ally of China, today's situation would be radically different.

The argument......"if its about WMDs there are a ton of other places we should
be attacking" can be turned around. "If its just about oil......there are a
ton of other places we should be attacking".
-- William Shatner's Trousers --
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re WMD - that just doesn't wash. You may not be aware of the scandals that broke out in Europe after the gulf war, where govts tried prosecuting companies that had shipped componets & materials to Iraq during the 1980s.

Thse prosecutions blew up in the Brit govts face when one of the companies produced documents from the prior govt asking the company to ship the goods in spite of their illegal nature..

Also US & Europe lend very large sums to Iraq to help fund their weaponry when they were containing the Iranian revolution for the west (or so Iraq thought).

These loans were called 'Agricultural' loans & grants. The other country most heavily involved was Germany.

Not sure what Bull's Babylon cannon really has to do with this other than Bull loved maging super guns.

Saudi Arabia was supposed to have loaned many billions to Iraq & Kuwait also (something like 10billion from Kuait). US & UK & Saudi wanted Iraq to fight Iran.

But Israel was helping Iran attack Iraq & provided Iran with intelligence that enabled Iranian jets to attack Iraq nuclear facilities over 20 years ago.



Reality Alert !
Why the hell do you think Saddam wanted to build up a strong army and powerful weaponry apart from invading Iran ????

*to protect the mineral rights of Iraq* - hardly likely

Cheers

Doug Marker
Guess we can agree to disagree over this oil matter - it is quite clear there are two very distinct views with little room for agreement & from our side we see people who cant see the forest because there are too many of them things with branches blocking the view
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                     Tsk__such cynicism in the young whippersnappers - (Ashton)
         It is about the oil. - (Brandioch)

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