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New It's been fun but..
I think the reason that the [0il] matter is simply Bound to Come up lies in a long history, surely as long as the '20s Western Powers\ufffd dividing-up of the lands of the (then largely nomadic) non-Christain types ~ lumped together as Arabs/Semites whatever.

Leaving aside the patently racist Third Reich's manipulations as well as Muricans' and other WASPs == the Rich Countries altogether: as of prior to 9/11, many here and elsewhere have observed that, virtually the *only* "connection", common interest? of the US and Saudi Arabia (Not a plebiscite of the citizens of SA, but the rump non-parliamentary Ibn Saud clan) IS [oil].)

Period. Now the (recently linked-to) estimates of the placement of oil pools throughout this area certainly indicate a Matter which no government anywhere could.. simply ignore.

So while I can easily agree with your seeming main point, it's not Just about the oil.. - in a larger sense, I believe that every single Murican (et al) gesture, overture, pact, agreement ___ with anyone in this area is inseparable from the Fact of Their [Oil]. Or we'd stay home and polish our bunkers and put up razor-wire at the borders.

Yes it is unfair and disingenuous to portray oil-man Dubya and oil-man Halliburton-Cheney as ... *solely* motivated by the obvious. It is in fact unfortunate for these two, and in these circumstances - that other issues are supposed to be the concern.. at least of the past year.

Since in the above thread it has been ~ agreed that "motivations" is a concept we use, and we can never be certain of what these actually are.. in anyone not-Me: it is still reasonable to examine a 'player's apparent (public? private?) life history to date, to try to notice what it is this person has thus far dedicated his/her 'life' towards.

I submit that a record of Corporate rapine, of being responsible for Executive decisions as lead to the confiscation of workers' earned retirement funds etc. (not to mention the bailing-out at last moment via Knowing what was pending) == illustrates both character and methods such a one will employ. Indicates: what this person wants Most.

Ergo: when Bush/Cheney assert, it's not about oil / business / Corporate division of anticipated spoils! well --- OK, sorta-not.. maybe a Little-not. But it is Not Ever not at all about [oil]!

IMaO.



Ashton
who believes that there are very Few actors good enough to never-salivate over internal fantasies.. on camera.. in This camera-besotted culture. Never mind what they 'say' so sincerely to us, with that Patriotic throb in the lowered voice, and the large effort to seem er humble in that moment.
New I completely agree.
>>But it is Not Ever not at all about [oil]!

I completely agree that this is correct.
-- William Shatner's Trousers --
     Fun links - (Mike) - (21)
         umm... no. - (Simon_Jester) - (11)
             How very odd. Ummmm no. Then you say what I said. - (Mike) - (4)
                 Actually, that's what I thought you said. - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
                     Come and see the violence...... - (Mike) - (2)
                         Chuckle... - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                             I bow down.... - (Mike)
             P.S. Read the links and comment on them please. -NT - (Mike) - (5)
                 If you only want me to comment on the links.... - (Simon_Jester) - (4)
                     No no no no ..... - (Mike)
                     Re: If you only want me to comment on the links.... - (Mike) - (2)
                         Try again.. - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                             Re: Try again.. - (Mike)
         It's been fun but.. - (Ashton) - (1)
             I completely agree. - (Mike)
         Re: Disingenuous - (dmarker2) - (5)
             Meaningless title which I don't support in my post - (Mike) - (1)
                 Re: Meaningless title which I don't support in my post - (dmarker2)
             Nice correlation of John Dewey with - (Ashton) - (2)
                 Dammm... Getting flowery and teary eyed... - (screamer) - (1)
                     Tsk__such cynicism in the young whippersnappers - (Ashton)
         It is about the oil. - (Brandioch)

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