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Post #52,037
by admin
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9/17/02 11:38:40 AM
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New It's not the GUI he needs...
It's the integration of CVS with the dev tools; namely, Visual Studio .NET (or whatever they're calling it these days).
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Post #52,044
by drewk
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9/17/02 12:14:53 PM
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New Doh!
Of course. I forgot how hard it is to launch two whole applications at once.

Yeah, I know it can be convenient having the source control in the same listing as the dev tools. I'm just so used to keeping dev tools on one desktop, testing on another, and admin on a third that I don't usually think in terms of IDE.
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Post #52,057
by jlalexander
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9/17/02 1:58:34 PM
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New Re: Doh!
Yeah, and most of our senior staff here can handle having more then one application open.

Unfortunately, we've gotten ourselves into a situation where we have alot of legacy developers that have a very, very limited skill set and ability. Over the years, they've attempted to mentor them, but unsuccessfully.

Now, we're dealing with these issues when attempting to migrate away from VBScript to C#, from ASP to .NET, etc... we're growing up, and some of our more junior staff can't.

Very interesting predicament to be in.

Personally, I say trim the fat. But, again, I'm not the CTO (or even a manager) around here. So, meanwhile, my back hurts from having to carry them.

Thanks for the link, Scott! That looks to be a great application to bring up. :)


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Post #52,158
by tuberculosis
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9/18/02 3:48:57 AM
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New I'm in the same fix
This company is 3 years old, has some multi-megabuck accounts, and has a web app written in ColdFusion on windows with vss and all the other lame tools that is (not so) slowly collapsing under its own weight.

My comrade and I are here to:

1) Redesign the database schema (why? I mean, VARCHAR2's make great foreign keys - right?)
2) Rebuild a very complicated module using WebObjects
3) Build a standard widget set in WebObjects
4) Train the developers in basic Java, OO thinking, and modern open source tools
5) Figure out how to move a fair chunk of development to Poland where we also have to do 4

We'll see how the training goes...
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     Build/Release/Promote Process - (jlalexander) - (27) - Sept. 13, 2002, 10:42:19 AM EDT
         Re: Build/Release/Promote Process - (admin) - (3) - Sept. 13, 2002, 11:38:56 AM EDT
             Procedures? Vee don't neet no steenkin' procedures! - (drewk) - Sept. 13, 2002, 12:30:46 PM EDT
             I'm in an extremely large and structured environment.... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Sept. 13, 2002, 03:22:42 PM EDT
                 Re: I'm in an extremely large and structured environment.... - (admin) - Sept. 13, 2002, 03:28:42 PM EDT
         build a usable process, get buy in and enforce it - (boxley) - (7) - Sept. 13, 2002, 12:40:03 PM EDT
             How do you do that in a small shop? - (drewk) - (6) - Sept. 13, 2002, 01:42:12 PM EDT
                 one person might do all 5 - (boxley) - (5) - Sept. 13, 2002, 03:36:35 PM EDT
                     Probably - (drewk) - (4) - Sept. 13, 2002, 04:00:58 PM EDT
                         well you could ]:-> - (boxley) - (3) - Sept. 13, 2002, 06:18:37 PM EDT
                             Like we haven't thought of that - (drewk) - (2) - Sept. 16, 2002, 10:21:56 AM EDT
                                 you mean you couldnt archive 1-5000 - (boxley) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2002, 11:49:00 AM EDT
                                     Too many things would have to change - (drewk) - Sept. 16, 2002, 01:36:50 PM EDT
         Re: Build/Release/Promote Process - (jlalexander) - Sept. 16, 2002, 10:19:49 AM EDT
         What Scott said - (tuberculosis) - (13) - Aug. 21, 2007, 12:46:12 PM EDT
             Re: What Scott said - (wharris2) - (2) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:15:14 AM EDT
                 I've heard good things about MKS - (admin) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:17:21 AM EDT
                 ClearCase - (tuberculosis) - Sept. 18, 2002, 03:39:02 AM EDT
             Re: What Scott said - (jlalexander) - (8) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:26:14 AM EDT
                 What Scott said this time - (admin) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:30:29 AM EDT
                 Try TKCVS - (drewk) - (5) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:36:19 AM EDT
                     It's not the GUI he needs... - (admin) - (3) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:38:40 AM EDT
                         Doh! - (drewk) - (2) - Sept. 17, 2002, 12:14:53 PM EDT
                             Re: Doh! - (jlalexander) - (1) - Sept. 17, 2002, 01:58:34 PM EDT
                                 I'm in the same fix - (tuberculosis) - Sept. 18, 2002, 03:48:57 AM EDT
                     Subversion - (tuberculosis) - Sept. 18, 2002, 03:41:20 AM EDT
                 Oh, and one other thing - (drewk) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:39:04 AM EDT
             Visual Source Safe... - (ChrisR) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:30:03 AM EDT

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