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Post #52,027 by wharris2 9/17/02 11:15:14 AM Reply	Re: What Scott said If you are using Visual Source Safe (and I have reason to suspect you are from your .NET post) ditch it now and move all your stuff to CVS. Even Microsoft doesn't put their code into VSS. Its a toy. CVS, RCS, almost anything would be better than VSS. :=) I've heard decent things about ClearCase's configuration management, but shoot, even clunky Make scripts would be better than nothing. The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
Post #52,029 by admin 9/17/02 11:17:21 AM Reply	I've heard good things about MKS Morton Kern Systems or whatever it is. Avoid PVCS too. It's... not good. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #52,155 by tuberculosis 9/18/02 3:39:02 AM Reply	ClearCase My experience with ClearCase screams "PASS". Come to think of it, all of Rational's products leave me feeling this way. The key problem with ClearCase is that its too clever for its own good. Its implemented as a foreign file system. So it tries to pretend its part of your file system but the illusion isn't quite good enough. You have to use their file manipulation tools. So you can't say rm file, its ccrm file (or something like that). Its easy to forget whether the directory you are working on is a cc thing or a regular thing and pick the wrong tool. It also entail rather tight OS integration and its upgrade cycle has held back critical OS patches from the dev group. I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.

Build/Release/Promote Process - (jlalexander) - (27) - Sept. 13, 2002, 10:42:19 AM EDT

Re: Build/Release/Promote Process - (admin) - (3) - Sept. 13, 2002, 11:38:56 AM EDT

Procedures? Vee don't neet no steenkin' procedures! - (drewk) - Sept. 13, 2002, 12:30:46 PM EDT

I'm in an extremely large and structured environment.... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Sept. 13, 2002, 03:22:42 PM EDT

Re: I'm in an extremely large and structured environment.... - (admin) - Sept. 13, 2002, 03:28:42 PM EDT

build a usable process, get buy in and enforce it - (boxley) - (7) - Sept. 13, 2002, 12:40:03 PM EDT

How do you do that in a small shop? - (drewk) - (6) - Sept. 13, 2002, 01:42:12 PM EDT

one person might do all 5 - (boxley) - (5) - Sept. 13, 2002, 03:36:35 PM EDT

Probably - (drewk) - (4) - Sept. 13, 2002, 04:00:58 PM EDT

well you could ]:-> - (boxley) - (3) - Sept. 13, 2002, 06:18:37 PM EDT

Like we haven't thought of that - (drewk) - (2) - Sept. 16, 2002, 10:21:56 AM EDT

you mean you couldnt archive 1-5000 - (boxley) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2002, 11:49:00 AM EDT

Too many things would have to change - (drewk) - Sept. 16, 2002, 01:36:50 PM EDT

Re: Build/Release/Promote Process - (jlalexander) - Sept. 16, 2002, 10:19:49 AM EDT

What Scott said - (tuberculosis) - (13) - Aug. 21, 2007, 12:46:12 PM EDT

Re: What Scott said - (wharris2) - (2) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:15:14 AM EDT

I've heard good things about MKS - (admin) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:17:21 AM EDT

ClearCase - (tuberculosis) - Sept. 18, 2002, 03:39:02 AM EDT

Re: What Scott said - (jlalexander) - (8) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:26:14 AM EDT

What Scott said this time - (admin) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:30:29 AM EDT

Try TKCVS - (drewk) - (5) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:36:19 AM EDT

It's not the GUI he needs... - (admin) - (3) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:38:40 AM EDT

Doh! - (drewk) - (2) - Sept. 17, 2002, 12:14:53 PM EDT

Re: Doh! - (jlalexander) - (1) - Sept. 17, 2002, 01:58:34 PM EDT

I'm in the same fix - (tuberculosis) - Sept. 18, 2002, 03:48:57 AM EDT

Subversion - (tuberculosis) - Sept. 18, 2002, 03:41:20 AM EDT

Oh, and one other thing - (drewk) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:39:04 AM EDT

Visual Source Safe... - (ChrisR) - Sept. 17, 2002, 11:30:03 AM EDT

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