Post #51,691
9/13/02 6:51:20 PM
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MS Outlook -- Calendar *without* email?
A shop I know well has this slight conflict. MS Outlook as an email client is despised. As a calendering application... Let's just say it's making headway. Anyone know of plans for a Windows port (even under Cygwin -- it's on all our boxen already) of Ximian Evolution? I'd been installing MS Office sans MS Outlook. That's not floating the boat anymore, so I looked at adding MS Outlook without the email component. No dice. There are parts of the app which can be (de)selected, but mail isn't one of them. Not only that, but if another application (say, Eudora) is selected as the default email application, MS Outlook continues to ignore the specification and composes mail itself rather than handing off to the requested application. Some might say this is annoying. Wondering if any y'all have experience with: - Pruning mail capabilities from MS Outlook.
- Forcing MS Outlook to use the designated default email application.
- Other calendaring applications under MS Windows which perform largely the same features as a standalone MS Outlook installation.
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Post #51,802
9/15/02 11:16:04 AM
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Attack the source
Gently nudge them to a different calendering app. Use their despite for the email as a selling point.
"Logic is a wonderful thing but doesn't always beat actual thought."
-Terry Pratchett
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Post #51,905
9/16/02 12:35:05 PM
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That's a wonderful suggestion...
...could you suggest an alternate calendaring app? The field seems thin.
Among the contenders here: FileMaker and Act! (we use FM for other uses, and could build calendaring into it). I've done some brief scans for other solutions with no good results. There are some Linux-based HTML shared calendar solutions, which are among the stronger choices out there. Third party offsite solutions are a non-starter.
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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
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What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
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Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.
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Post #51,929
9/16/02 3:26:37 PM
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Wish I could
We use Outlook at my business. Did a quick search on Google for "shared calendar" and got [link|http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=shared+calendar|this]. I seem to remember something from a few years back called calendar creator plus. I don't know if it is still in busieness or if it has a sharing capability. The people who used it raved about it though.
"Logic is a wonderful thing but doesn't always beat actual thought."
-Terry Pratchett
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Post #51,973
9/16/02 9:03:04 PM
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Shared Calendars
Oh heck, I wrote a damn Docket Calendar for the Greedy Lawyers I used to work for. It is so good, they are using it today and letting someone else support it instead of me. The only thing I could not do in it is use recurring dates, but with a lot of research and time I could do that.
One calendar looked interesting, but it was no longer supported. It was at the top of your Google search, and it is archived at [link|http://web.archive.org/web/20011024063542/http://www.boutell.com/calendars/|Web.Archive.Org for Boutell.com] and you can download the source from them. Lot of good it is going to do you, eh? Maybe I can write something that people can use and port it to different languages? I still have my skills, even if I don't have the source code to the Docket Calendar that I wrote. Still I wouldn't do it in ASP, that is just too damn well slow. They are trying to convert it to ASP.NET, but I think that it could very well be faster in Java, JSP, or even Perl. But they are a MS shop, and that goes without saying.
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Post #51,932
9/16/02 4:12:34 PM
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what about this one?
would [link|http://www.isbister.com/chaos32.html|Time & Chaos] work?
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Post #51,957
9/16/02 6:40:16 PM
9/16/02 7:36:32 PM
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This post intentionally...
...left.
[Edit: dupe post, content snipped.]
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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
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What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.
Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.
[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]]
Edited by kmself
Sept. 16, 2002, 07:36:32 PM EDT
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Post #51,975
9/16/02 9:26:46 PM
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You are retentive... DOOD!
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Hold Thumbprint to Screen for 5 seconds, we'll take the imprint, or
Just continue to type on your keyboard, and we'll just sample your DNA.
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Post #51,961
9/16/02 7:06:21 PM
9/16/02 8:14:42 PM
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All I want to know is are you offering calendaring SW...
...or offering me a date ?
BTW, I've been updating the TWiki [link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ApplicationsCalendaring|ApplicationsCalendaring] page w/ suggestions from here and elsewhere.
(Later)
OK, I've d/l'ed the demo version and am running it on XP under VMWare. Seems pretty decent for a standalone application. Talks to Eudora, which is a plus. No bulk licensing that I can find, which may be an issue. Then again, it may not.
Question: did you just turn this up in a search, or are you actually using the tool?
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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]]
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.
Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.
[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/...a_alert.html]]
Edited by kmself
Sept. 16, 2002, 08:14:42 PM EDT
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Post #51,965
9/16/02 8:04:56 PM
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Well...
I cannot tell you if Time & Chaos is a good shared calendaring solution or not as I've not tried it (yet), but if you applied time and chaos to a date, I'm sure the results would be interesting to say the least. Hmmmmm....
BTW, there are a few other calendaring solutions out there, but most are limited to single user, non-shared environments. Time & Chaos does allow sharing of calendars, but it looks like it is limited to 'doze and PDAs.
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Post #51,838
9/15/02 7:57:27 PM
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Ah heck man
you mean there isn't a Calendar Plug-In for TWiki yet? The shame, the shame! :)
Instead of Outlook, consider making a [link|http://groups.yahoo.com|"Private Yahoo Group"] and then use their built in Calendar, make a hard to guess password and only give it to employees and tell them not to give it out. Yeah yeah, I know, yahoo s*cks, but whadda you do if you don't want to use Outlook but need a Calendar app?
Another thing that you could do, is write a custom VB or VC++ App to use the Outlook object to use the Calendar part, and then Outlook would not futz with the default email settings. But, ah well, it would be interesting. I think I have more info at that [link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MicrosoftVBAProgramming|TWikiWord MicrosoftVBAProgramming] if you didn't already delete it. Click on the Slipstick Outlook info, or search for it on the MSDN at Microsoft.
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Post #51,848
9/15/02 9:42:56 PM
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Yeh, nothing like having your scheduling out on the internet
on someone else's server. Yeh, security becomes their problem!
Can you sue Yahoo!? But, could you win?
Thimk! :)
Alex
Three things are certain:
Death, taxes and lost data.
Guess which just occurred.
[Windows haiku]
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Post #51,849
9/15/02 10:20:59 PM
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Well then
if they won't do an Internet solution, how about an Intranet solution?
Aren't there like PHP based Calendars that can be run under PHP 3.0/4.0 and Apache with MySQL as the database? Just set up a 'Nix box, even a 486 will do, running Red Hat 8.0 with Apache, MySQL, PHP, etc.
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Post #51,921
9/16/02 2:09:49 PM
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The problem is: calendar IS email in Outlook
i.e. a Calendar item (event, appointment, what-have-you) is nothing more than an email with some magic numbers to tell Outlook it's a Calendar item. I think you'd be hard pressed to filter Outlook's "default mail app" based on that (but I won't discount the possibility entirely--I just wouldn't waste my time).
I'm evaluating TUTOS right now, that gfolkert mentioned last week. Needs an improved layout but otherwise looks solid SO FAR. ;)
Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
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