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New How to end the war...
I have been thinking this through and have come up with a way to end this "Holy War"... We (meaning the UN) should capture Mecca and station troups around the Holy Mosque. We should then threaten the radical Muslim elements in the world with chisels. One suicide bomber - one concise cut into the Ka'aba until... we have finished carving out Mickey Mouse. We can leave at that point (assuming it would ever get to that point).

We could then threaten them with AraDisney... Should keep them in line for a few centuries.
Just a few thoughts,

Screamer

"Brilliant ideas ain't that hard to figure out"
Someone
New Now that's dark humor
I still like Jerry Pournelle's solution: wherever we have proof of public celebrations of the WTC attack, bring in the bulldozers, raze any building to the ground, sow the ground with salt, and build a monument visible from orbit. Sends two messages: "Don't mess with us, you turkeys" and "If you allow this again, you're next."
New yer cruel.
Capture Mecca? No problem.
Station troops around the Holy Mosque? No problem.
Threaten with chisels? No problem.

But craving it into Mickey Mouse and AraDisney? That's inhuman.



(I can't recommend that even to my enemies. I could agree to creating a nude statute of a women...but Disney? You're mean.)
New Remember the Wahabis run Saudi Arabia.
They have a history in believing that sacred objects are idoltry. [link|http://home.bip.net/hyla/wahabia/03.htm|Here]:

But the Wahabi creed considers making a journey to a shrine for the purpose of visiting it a form of idolatry which deserve the extreme punishment of loss of life and possessions. In effect, they condemned Imam Ahmed, his contemporaries and early Muslims who practiced this ritual and condoned it as idolators who must be put to death and their possessions confiscated. Furthermore, this Wahabi decree must also extend to the Prophet Companions who approved or performed this ritual. Their claim to be followers of Imam Ahmed is thus unfounded.


There was a battle in Mecca in which the Wahabi's nearly destroyed the sacred stone. The next link is a bit of a screed, but it illustrates the point. [link|http://www.sunnah.org/aqida/cape_town_wahabi/wahabi_menace_capetown.htm|Here]:

The slaughter of Muslims at the time of the Wahhabi takeover is the bloodiest chapter in the history of our religion. And what did the Wahhabis do in Mecca, the holiest place in the universe:

During the demonstration, arranged by the people of Makkah al-Mukarramah, to end the attacks directed towards their lives \ufffdtwo of the shells fired (by the Wahhabi forces) from the guns at Qalah al-Jiyad to the (Masjid al-Haram) landed (a few) metres from the sacred stone, the Hajr al-Aswad. The Sutrah al-Sharifah, the cover of the Ka\ufffdbah, caught fire from these shells, and the people, to extinguish (the fire), had to open the door and climb on the Ka\ufffdbah. Although the (Wahhabi) soldiers saw the fire, they kept Maqam Ibrahim and the Haram Sharif under cannon fire and martyred a number of Muslims. Thepeople could not enter the masjid, and salah could not be performed in the Holy Masjid for days (From a letter written to the Muslim world by the Amir of Mecca in 1916). This was other than the slaughter of the scholars.


There are Shia sites out there that claim that bin Laden is Wahabi (I haven't checked to see if that's true).

I don't think that threatening Mecca would be very productive.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Dammit ...
Throwing cold water on my strategy...

Okay, let's move on to electronic warfare then... We could jam the entire Al Jazeera (sp?) network and replace the signal with Dallas reruns. Oh hell, we could do Beverly Hills 90210 in the breaks. Maybe a direct 700 Club feed. Maybe a bit of MTV Cribs on the weekend?

For the airwaves, nothing but porn soundtrack jazz... Maybe, just maybe, we could arrange something with Springer...

Now that would demoralize the mulahs...
Just a few thoughts,

Screamer


As soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all


J. Lennon - Working Class Hero
New ObL is Wahabi, as are the Qataris...
Just to clear up a loose end...

[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53133-2002Sep22.html|Washington Post]

Although Qatari officials say they have received no request for use of the base against Iraq, the U.S. Central Command will move command and control facilities from Florida to Qatar in November. The move is officially billed as a biennial exercise, but equipment and personnel will remain afterward, according to a U.S. official. There appears to be no doubt here that Qatar will be used as a launching pad if the United States attacks Iraq.

Qatar, a wealthy oil and natural gas emirate jutting from the Arabian Peninsula into the Gulf, would seem an unlikely U.S. ally in at least one way. Qataris belong to the Wahhabi sect of Islam, the same as Osama bin Laden and many Saudis. Yet, Wahhabism here is a relaxed variety. Women can work and drive, alcohol is served in hotels, and foreigners seem genuinely welcome.

Qataris, even those who oppose the U.S. plans for Iraq, value the U.S. security umbrella. Qatar's gas fields in the Gulf nudge up against Iran's. And Qatar shares with other small Gulf states a fear of Saudi domination. The Al Udeid base is an insurance policy.


Cheers,
Scott.
New Carve a Budda instead
ticks them off and makes up for the Taliban's work.
Ray
New Clever idea...
but I'm thinking that MM would send a clear signal to the Muslim world that we are taking over their children's souls... Sweet payback for us, their kids screaming to making a pilgramage to see Mickey Mouse for a change.
Just a few thoughts,

Screamer


As soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all


J. Lennon - Working Class Hero
New Re: How to end the war...
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Expand Edited by TTC Sept. 12, 2002, 12:11:07 AM EDT
New On the first cartoon
Sounds good to me. Our enemies dont consider our civilians as anything but targets. When a bad dog bites you you dont feed it first, you bite it harder then feed it.
thanx,
bill
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New Nah.
Just paint the Coca Cola logo over it. Not the shrine, the whole country.
"Can you wage war against an abstract noun?"
-Terry Jones
New do it Merican Style auction it off for a logo like a stadium
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New All we gots to do is fess up... Tell The Truth:
1) Yes, we ARE The Great Satan\ufffd
2) Yes, we are preocupied with sex, juvenile and guilty about it - simultaneously. (Explains a lot of our incessant BS on 'morality' and such)
3) Sex Sells. Our GOD is $$, no matter what we say on that topic.
4) We Love things that go BANG! [Too!] We'll blow you UP before we will Help You UP the $$ ladder. (We Compete; we don't Share, but we love our cradle-to-grave Insurance while we crow about Induhvidualism)
5) We're spoiled, irascible, sanctimonious, testy, impatient. We have a Mean Streak as wide as the Grand Canyon (which we call 'conservatism') and a Niceness streak as wide as a vagina (which we call 'liberalism' - look up under extinct, obs.)
6) We have the largest arsenal of rationalizations, euphemisms, sanctimony -- of any group ever. You can't match this.
7) We are irrational about *most* arguable human matters.
8) It's *OUR* Century and we have to play out the Greed, Power and Warm-Puppy $entimentalizing... to the end ---> [???]
9) We Have ~ 280 Million Individual-GODS which speak to us, in tongues.


So: DEAL WITH IT!
Young Muslims: Come to the FUN Hedonism Party or DIE a virgin, in poverty - your only video will be: your pre-martyr going-away one. You Choose; screw them old fuddy-duddies who can't even get it up anymore.


What could be simpler? and.. for the very First Time!
We need only Tell The Truth.



Ashton
Support National Truth Serum Week
or we'll kill you
New Okay, so I'll make an addendum...
Instead of carving Mickey Mouse, we'll do Minnie in a sleazy gown... or better yet, maybe Mickey and Minnie gettin' it on... with a soundtrack...

Minnie - "ooooh baaaaaby"
Micky - " awwwww yesssss!"

Maybe that would better capture the true essence.

It would sure make the pilgrimage better.
Just a few thoughts,

Screamer


As soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all


J. Lennon - Working Class Hero
     How to end the war... - (screamer) - (13)
         Now that's dark humor - (wharris2)
         yer cruel. - (Simon_Jester)
         Remember the Wahabis run Saudi Arabia. - (Another Scott) - (2)
             Dammit ... - (screamer)
             ObL is Wahabi, as are the Qataris... - (Another Scott)
         Carve a Budda instead - (rsf) - (1)
             Clever idea... - (screamer)
         Re: How to end the war... - (TTC) - (1)
             On the first cartoon - (boxley)
         Nah. - (Silverlock) - (1)
             do it Merican Style auction it off for a logo like a stadium -NT - (boxley)
         All we gots to do is fess up... Tell The Truth: - (Ashton) - (1)
             Okay, so I'll make an addendum... - (screamer)

And he laughed and he laughed and he laughed.
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