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New I have no problems with a declaration of war...
and I have no arguments about USSC and WPR and Congressional infringement...

But I think that a lot of people who are hoping to use that law as a declaration of war are going to be surprised at what the ramification of "going to war" really are.

I know that there are some insurance companies that would like nothing better that to NOT have pay out on some policies. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. :-)
New Can war *legally* be declared against al Qaeda?
You make good points about the buisness implications of a declaration of war.

The point I'm getting at, though, is: Isn't war (by definition) a state of beligerence between nation states? I think it is.

How did the US handle things like post-civil-war Indian wars? Were those declared by Congress? (And even if they were, the analogy wouldn't be exact because in some respects Indian tribes are nations according to US law.)

I think that 107-40 is the closet the US Congress could come to a legal declaration of war against al Qaeda. I don't think US and international definitions of war fit with what has happened. That is, I think it's a definition problem, not an illustration that it's somehow not a war.

Bruce Fein has an [link|http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20020820-18641767.htm|article] at the Washington Times discussing the history of declarations of war, etc. It's an interesting read, IMO, whether you agree with him or not. He says that Congress has only declared war 5 times.

Constitutional practice, however, has overwhelmed the specific expectations of Madison and Hamilton. During its 1973 hearings on the War Powers Resolution, the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on National Security Policy and Scientific Developments listed 199 instances of United States military hostilities without a declaration of war (of which there have been but five, and none since World War II). Only 81 of the 199 even arguably rested on prior legislative authority. The remaining 118 cases included President Franklin Roosevelt's warring against Nazi submarines before Pearl Harbor, and President John F. Kennedy's naval blockade of Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Constitutional practice and evolution have thus superannuated the congressional power to declare war. But the result seems untroublesome.

The power of the purse still empowers Congress to thwart or terminate war making by the president. In 1973, for instance, Congress terminated all funds for American combat activities in Cambodia and Laos after Aug. 15 of that year. That precedent discredits the claim that voting to cut appropriations while our troops are militarily engaged is politically prohibitive. And Congress may impeach, convict, and remove a president for abusing warmaking powers.

Moreover, the reasons at our constitutional birth for disfavoring war initiation by the executive have lapsed. Then, the popular vote and public opinion held little sway in presidential elections. Today, the president is as much a creature of the common man as are senators and representatives.

Further, the two-term limit on the presidency enshrined in the 22nd Amendment has arrested executive inclinations to exploit war in hopes of permanency in the White House.

Finally, requiring a congressional declaration of war before President Bush invades Iraq smacks of imprudence. Tactical surprise, like our Overlord landings in World War II, would be confounded. And the leaking of classified information by Congress that could endanger our soldiers would be as certain as the Archimedes principle.


FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New I'll disagree on one point.
Finally, requiring a congressional declaration of war before President Bush invades Iraq smacks of imprudence. Tactical surprise, like our Overlord landings in World War II, would be confounded. And the leaking of classified information by Congress that could endanger our soldiers would be as certain as the Archimedes principle.
There won't be any tactical surprise. We'll have to move troops and equipment into place from over here.

The Overlord landings were expected. Just not in the location that they happened.

As for Congress leaking classified information, the same risks existed then as exist now.

The correct scenario is for Congress to formally declare war.

The US moves troops and equipment into friendly countries.

Invasion plans are drawn up.

Fake invasion plans are leaked and fake troop movements are staged.

The real invasion goes ahead.

Again, we've done almost this exact same thing back in WW2.
     A Canadien's open letter to the USA - (Silverlock) - (30)
         rather amusing especially this part - (boxley) - (15)
             If you're going to bring that up ... - (drewk) - (14)
                 Yup we dont even have case law on our stuff - (boxley) - (1)
                     "no controlling legal authority" - (Ashton)
                 Public Law 107-40 is pretty darn close. - (Another Scott) - (10)
                     Re: Public Law 107-40 is pretty darn close. - not really.... - (Simon_Jester) - (9)
                         A bigger problem, I think... - (Another Scott) - (8)
                             I have no problems with a declaration of war... - (Simon_Jester) - (2)
                                 Can war *legally* be declared against al Qaeda? - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                     I'll disagree on one point. - (Brandioch)
                             Not whether, but what is the best method. - (Brandioch) - (4)
                                 I disagree with you a lot but in this case - (boxley) - (3)
                                     You can "define" them as such. - (Brandioch) - (2)
                                         Re: Some difficulties in definitions - (dmarker2) - (1)
                                             Definitions. - (Brandioch)
                 WTF does time of war have to do with it? - (ben_tilly)
         The top-of-the-lungs style doesn't exactly invite discussion - (drewk)
         At this point, I'd start looking into the man's background. - (Arkadiy) - (1)
             not a trace of him on the net - (Arkadiy)
         How do we know he is canadian? - (boxley) - (5)
             The body odor? ;-) -NT - (inthane-chan) - (3)
                 Nope. Ask a hockey question. - (lister) - (2)
                     Re: Nope. Ask a hockey question. - (Steve Lowe)
                     when was the last decent hockey season 66 -NT - (boxley)
             the title says so - (SpiceWare)
         What a frothing-at-the-mouth letter - (wharris2)
         Another response to the letter. - (Ashton) - (3)
             Hardly an actor - (Silverlock)
             Re: Another response to the letter. - EXTRACT - (dmarker2) - (1)
                 Unfortunately, the folks who write such advice__ (+OT-Doug) - (Ashton)

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