Post #50,202
8/22/02 4:52:52 PM
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Are Europeans going extinct?
[link|http://economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1291056|I guess they're feeling a bit outnumbered]
Excerpt:
In the 1980s, however, something curious began to happen. American fertility rates\ufffdthe average number of children a woman can expect to bear in her lifetime\ufffdsuddenly began to reverse their decline. Between 1960 and 1985, the American fertility rate had fallen faster than Europe's, to 1.8, slightly below European levels and far below the \ufffdreplacement level\ufffd of 2.1 (the rate required to keep the population steady). By the 1990s American fertility had rebounded, rising back to just below the 2.1 mark.
Nobody quite knows why. Some of the recovery was the result of higher-than-average fertility among immigrants. But not all of it: fertility rose among native-born whites and blacks as well. Perhaps the most plausible, if unprovable, explanation is that higher fertility was the product of the economic boom of the 1990s combined with what one might call \ufffdsocial confidence\ufffd: America was a good country to bring more children into.
America is not unique: a few north-European countries, like Norway, have followed a similar trajectory. But it is highly unusual. Nearly every country in the world has seen its fertility rate fall recently and, by and large, the richer the country, the greater the fall. \ufffdAmerica\ufffd, says Hania Zlotnik of the United Nations Population Division, \ufffdis the world's great demographic outlier.\ufffd
Meanwhile, Europe's fertility continues to fall. Having been just below 1.9 in the mid-1980s, the rate is now less than 1.4 and it is projected to continue declining for at least another ten years. In some countries\ufffdSpain, Italy and Greece\ufffdthe fertility rate has fallen to between 1.1 and 1.3.
I say:
"Demographic outlier." That's sour grapes talk.
Does Pat Buchanan know?
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Post #50,253
8/23/02 4:42:25 AM
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SIGH... You *insist* on being stupid, don't you?
Typical Marlowe comment: I say:
"Demographic outlier." That's sour grapes talk. Has nothing to do with viniculture, Aesop notwithstanding: It's a value-neutral, factually descriptive statistics term.
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Post #50,279
8/23/02 11:19:26 AM
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Yeah, sure. That's all there is to it.
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Post #50,980
9/7/02 11:41:11 AM
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Well... Yeah.
According to Willum of Ockam, that is all there is to it.
Why -- you got anything else by her from the article, to say there's more to it?
I didn't see anything. If I missed something, just point it out and I'll admit I was wrong.
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Post #50,376
8/24/02 12:41:32 PM
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C M Kornbluth's The Marching Morons
a classic sci-fi story that builds on the idea that 'morons' reproduce much faster thatn their educated counterpoints.
My parents (both with doctorates) did not become grandparents until my dad was 65, yet there are plenty of folks in their 30s who are grandparents
Kornbluth extrapoloated out to a future where there were only about 12 people with any kind of intellignece left and they had to care for the 'marching morons' without ever being detected
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Post #50,389
8/24/02 4:20:04 PM
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Wonderful one! - 'twas on NPR radio
a year or so ago, nicely done a la Radio Theatre. Thanks for the reminder.. gotta read more K.
Ashton
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Post #50,380
8/24/02 3:35:12 PM
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That time peroid 1960-1985
Well the 1960's made birth control popular, and there was a lot of it. Around 1985 the Preppies and the Punk Rockers took over for the Hippies, Disco People, and the Nerds. Nerds, unlike their counterparts, didn't have sex very often or sometimes not at all. I was a Computer Nerd, couldn't even get a date for the prom, so I didn't go. I graduated from High School in 1986, still a virgin.
Anyway after the 1985's they had discovered AIDS and other illnesses. Yet people still kept on popping out kids. Then the Teenagers got really weird and silly, made the Punk Rockers look like Beaver Cleaver. I think I lost track of the "Hip" stuff when "Marylin Manson" and "Gansta Rappers" took over the minds of the teenagers. Not that I was ever "Hip" mind you, but I never got invited to any parties or social events.
The 1990's must have brought back the illresponsibility, the unprotected sex, the high birth rate, and teenage mothers popping out babies every 9 months or a year or so. Enough to drive the birthrate up.
Whatever passes for a society in our culture, apparently didn't "catch on" in Europe?
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Post #55,698
10/9/02 7:54:47 AM
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Not for another four-score years or so...
Europeans aren't going extinct for another three- or four-score years, because... Well, in part because we're making a new little European, Anki and I. :-)
ETA: mid-April, 2003.
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Post #55,708
10/9/02 8:17:55 AM
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Congrats
..and I guess s/he'll have to be named something like Cheksum, eh?
So then, it's comforting to be pretty sure you'll be raising an average-raiser - and with no local Home Security Police to contend with, either. (I guess too - there goes any hopes for a Cisitalia next ;-)
Have an Akvavit or three on me, if I can figure a way to send -->
Cheers, Ashton
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Post #55,717
10/9/02 8:58:29 AM
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Re: name
"I guess s/he'll have to be named something like Cheksum, eh"
Nah. Knowing Christian, it'll be something like "That fucking! kid"
:->
Congrats buddy.
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Post #55,711
10/9/02 8:27:42 AM
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What Ashton said
"Career politicians are inherently untrustworthy; if it spends its life buzzing around the outhouse, it\ufffds probably a fly." - [link|http://www.nationalinterest.org/issues/58/Mead.html|Walter Mead]
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Post #55,715
10/9/02 8:50:31 AM
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Woot!
IIRC this will be your first? Congrats, and good luck to you both. Err, to all three of you.
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Post #55,727
10/9/02 9:32:36 AM
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Congratulations!
And, to really help European population, you'd better have 2 kids. or 3.
We have only 2 things to worry about: That things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
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Post #55,729
10/9/02 9:59:15 AM
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you do know what causes that dont you?
I feel very happy for you and if it is a boy Blythe is a good name and in the family so to speak. thanx, bill
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Post #55,730
10/9/02 10:00:55 AM
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Congrats!
Have you got his/her first Borland license picked out yet?
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #55,731
10/9/02 10:01:12 AM
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**CHEER**
Congrats! You are not a biological ead end - evolution continues!
Imric's Tips for Living- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Post #55,749
10/9/02 11:29:58 AM
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Ausgezeichnet!
For a name:
"Adelphia" for a girl, "Pascual" for a boy.
Didn't know you had found a better half, good deal.
-drl
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Post #55,761
10/9/02 12:14:17 PM
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Congrats, man!
Now, we'll all know for certain it's CRC's kid when we find that the first sentence out of the kid's mouth is:
"You !%!@%QE%W$^#$@%!@#%@$^@#%!#@$$^@%@#%@^#$@!%!#^@$^#$%@$^#$@%@Q#@$^@#%"
End of world rescheduled for day after tomorrow. Something should probably be done. Please advise.
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Post #55,778
10/9/02 1:56:09 PM
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Aw-Right!!
Due about the same time as my first...*urgk*...grandchild...*urgk*...
Congrats, Sir Cyclic (& Ms. Cyclic)
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Post #55,838
10/9/02 7:07:14 PM
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WooHoo!!! Congrats man :-)
----- Steve
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Post #55,890
10/9/02 11:30:30 PM
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Superb!
Alex
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Post #55,902
10/10/02 12:25:50 AM
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Way to go!
Best wishes to you and yours...
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Post #55,930
10/10/02 6:50:24 AM
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Ditto!
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Post #55,903
10/10/02 12:29:56 AM
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Kudos!!!
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
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Post #55,923
10/10/02 3:55:25 AM
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Get some sleep now...
...you're going to need it.
No matter how tired you think you've been in the past, it is as nothing to what you're going to feel.
Well done! Give Anki a big hug from me!
(BTW, "Peter" is a fine European name.)
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Post #55,944
10/10/02 8:06:23 AM
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Umm...
My Mom is Hurt.... ;) no Not really...
Trust me, you are FAR better off...
As for your sprouting offspring... I hope the world can stand another one...
Congrats! I knight the Sir Tired.... instead of Sir Cyclic... for obvious reasons...
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Post #55,953
10/10/02 8:48:51 AM
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Congrats from Mini Snow Duh
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Post #56,046
10/10/02 4:06:00 PM
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Hmm...CRC overflow error
...no, on second thought, let's not go there ;-)
'Grats, and give Anki a squeeze for me.
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Post #56,054
10/10/02 4:19:32 PM
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ROFLMAO
You are evil. I will never forgive you for the mental picture I will have to somehow ignore for the rest of the day.
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Post #56,126
10/11/02 12:34:33 AM
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Now Stop! that..
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Post #56,177
10/11/02 10:22:05 AM
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Thanks, guys!
And I'm sorry, Peter, Bill, and all of you who suggested what to name him/her, but that issue seems to be out of your hands already. (Although Ross got pretty close to how an idol of mine, [link|http://www.drbob42.com/delphi/home.htm|Dr Bob], did it -- scroll down to the very bottom and read the first entry, from 1996! :-)
I think we're going with Leif if it's a boy, for my best friend back home in Sweden. I'm lobbying for Leif Dietrich Romanus, but my father's name is meeting with tough resistance, primarily because non-Germans are so bad at pronouncing the 'ich' sound... If it's a girl, it will probably be some combination of Sofia and Julia, for Anki's maternal grandma and mine, respectively. (Also the respective second given names of Anki's Mom, and my second-youngest sister.)
Will give Anki a big hug... For you guys to, if I can be bothered to remeber! ;^)
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Post #56,297
10/11/02 9:57:46 PM
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or even leif blower romanus :-)
dunno why dietrich is so dificile, deeter for short right? thanx, bill
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Post #56,619
10/14/02 9:23:10 AM
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Deeter? "Dis ist Schprochett. Now ... ve dance."
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