Post #49,989
8/20/02 10:41:49 PM
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I dunno about this one (child abuse)
[link|http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=506&u=/ap/20020820/ap_wo_en_ge/us_sunburn_charges_1&printer=1| link]
"Abdalla said a deputy noticed her 2-year-old daughter and 10-month-old twin boys had severely sunburned faces at the Jefferson County Fair.
"She pushed her kids around the fairground all day last Tuesday, and it looked like those kids' faces were dipped in red paint," he said. "There was no sunscreen or nothing on these children."
Well having the experience of beet red kids with 45sunblock onem crying they dont want to leave the beach, coupled with she might be young, a little parenting assistance might be of more use than 15 yrs in the cage. Until recently sunscreen wasnt readily available or used.
thanx,
bill
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Post #50,005
8/21/02 8:23:08 AM
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Well I do
That's just plain stupid. If this were part of a pattern of neglect, or she had been warned about this specific behavior before, then maybe. But the article didn't mention anything about that. Unless there is a lot more to the story than is reported here, there is no way she should be facing charges.
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Post #50,032
8/21/02 11:37:26 AM
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It's Criminally Stupid and Mean Spirited
..in the time honored manner of the prosecuting class.
Sorry kids, your sicko sunworshipping mother has to pay for her monstrous crimes against our dermo-melanic heritage.
-drl
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Post #50,049
8/21/02 3:36:26 PM
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Not enough information
You would think that if the kids are getting that badly burned, the mother should also be getting pretty toasty, but the little information in the stories I've seen really don't give enough information to tell.
Me, I had a couple of instances where I got severe sunburn when I was a kid - once I played in a wading pool too long, and there were a couple of other instances of bad sunburn where (some time later after healing a bit) skin would just peel off in large strips.
Was my mother neglectful? I wouldn't say so - but of course back then, parents let their kids do all kinds of things that would probably get them cuffed and put in the slammer nowdays. I'm sorry, but somewhere in the past 40 years or so we've gotten quite too much of "make everything ultra safe". (Thanks, lawyers and judges).
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Post #50,145
8/22/02 9:28:19 AM
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Here's more information
Since this is a fairly local story, I saw the followup last night. Apparently she was pushing them around a fair in 95-degree F weather with high humidity. To keep the sun off them, she covered them (up to the neck) with one or more afghans.
A police officer walking by heard one of the children wheezing. (Turned out he had a collapsed lung.) Looked in and saw their bright red faces. Told the mother she had to get them out of the heat. She argued with him -- turned into a confrontation. His only recourse to force her to get the kids out of the heat was to arrest her. And the only apropriate charge was child endangerment, which is a felony.
So I'm backing off on my earlier opinion. Though I did qualify it by saying there had to be more to it.
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Post #50,150
8/22/02 10:35:54 AM
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Different Story
I heard different on Paula Zahn this morning (CNN). The sherrif was on TV in full CYA mode, the way they do. The woman has been harassed before by child services etc. The children has simple sunburns, the kind every kid gets at the swimming pool. The story about the collapsed lung is a fabrication. The child was born prematurely and had underdeveloped lungs - certainly an issue, but hardly a woman dragging around a frittered, gasping waif.
The charges have been dropped other than a misdemeanor charge, which is also unjustified. The state knows that control of how you raise and teach your children amounts to control over you - as insidious a form of tyranny as can be imagined. It takes a village to install tyranny.
Reference: Steubenville Herald-Star
-drl
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Post #50,151
8/22/02 10:49:11 AM
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Knew it wasn't so simple
I'll be the only people this is clear to are the ones involved. Or course, they all disagree with each other.
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Post #50,155
8/22/02 10:58:35 AM
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Yet another story
I heard on a different show that the mother didn't know about sunscreen lotions.
Huh? (Geez, surely that's an exaggeration. If true, though, some people should never have kids.)
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Post #50,156
8/22/02 11:05:26 AM
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Re: Yet another story
WTF? When I was a kid I never even used beach oil. We lived on the California coast until I was 5 and then I spent the rest of my childhood outside all the time, swimming, baseball, bike riding, in the blazing Southern sun. Am I a leatherfaced piece of cancer bait? Fsck no! I tan easily now. The sun is GOOD FOR YOU! WOW! What a surprise!
-drl
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