Post #4,899
8/13/01 3:45:06 PM
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I just came up with a new truism
Before Gutenberg, "mass communication" meant you went to church.
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Post #4,920
8/13/01 5:15:06 PM
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Only Catholics will get it
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Post #4,925
8/13/01 5:50:32 PM
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I got it, I'm not Catholic.
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Post #4,927
8/13/01 5:58:37 PM
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Not a truism, just a bad pun
Jay O'Connor
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Post #4,929
8/13/01 6:15:59 PM
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More than a pun
I was discussing with a coworker the announcement that AT&T, Disney and Microsoft were negotiating something having to do with AT&T Broadband. He was pessimistic about the future of free speech. I trotted out the old saw about how freedom of the press belongs to the guy who owns the press.
I said, without meaning to make the pun, that once upon a time mass communication was the exclusive province of the church, which is why the church opposed the printing press. Of course their reasoning was that the printing press was used primarily for production of pornography/erotica.
So a communication technology is invented with the express intention of bringing enlightenment and personal empowerment (before they used that term) to individuals, and the existing power tries to block its adoption with claims of immorality.
Any of this sound familiar? Is it any different from the gripes against VCRs? Movie studios don't want to give up their power, but the arguments against it all pointed to the porn. And cable. TV Networks didn't want to give up their power, but the arguments are all about the porn. And violence! Porn and violence, yeah, that's it. For the Children!
Oh, and chat rooms! There's immorality there, too! (And frank movie reviews that travel faster than the fluff the studios pay for, but that's a coincidence.)
Has there ever been a new means of mass communication that wasn't first opposed on moral grounds? And wasn't the group making (or funding) these arguments always the same group that already owned the existing means of mass communication?
That the first mass communication was in the form of churches[1] happens to make a good pun made for a good line. But the point was to try to put current hand wringing into perspective. We all like to think that our particular problem is unique in The History of Man(tm), but the consolidation of mass media looks to me like just the latest telling of a very old story.
[1] No research was harmed in the forming of this pronouncement.
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Post #4,934
8/13/01 6:34:23 PM
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Problem is....
...you don't go far enough back. Before the church had control over communication distribution, "mass communication" was accomplished by speakers in public meeting places (town centers), especially in cities that were along major trade routes or intersections, where people could get up and pretty much say what they wanted (to a degree, remember Socrates and the Hemlock)
Jay O'Connor
"Going places unmapped to do things unplanned to people unsuspecting"
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Post #5,067
8/14/01 1:45:33 PM
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Not disagreeing, but a question
Are you saying that the effect I described actually predates the church's[1] opposition to the printing press? I hadn't thought of it before, but I suppose the Hemlock could be a pretty graphic example of someone shutting down free speech.
[1] Although I'm using "the church" here to mean specifically the particular denomination that happened to be opposing the press, for the larger point I was thinking powerful organized religion in general.
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Post #4,975
8/13/01 10:42:26 PM
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A point I thought you'd touch on.
Printing presses became lucrative with the help of the pornography. VCRs and consumer video tape got a boost early on by the pornographic industry. However, Pioneer refused to license LaserDisc to pornographers. The DVD consortium weren't so prudish...
Wade.
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Post #5,068
8/14/01 1:47:03 PM
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Well, I would have
Except that I hadn't heard that one about the LaserDisk. Based on the outcome, though, I'm not surprised. Just confirms the trend.
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Post #5,031
8/14/01 11:16:14 AM
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Obligatory quibble
Gutenberg didn't invent the printing press. He invented movable type. There were printing presses in operation at the time, the big difference was the cost of what is now called typesetting.
And was it really pornography that they objected to? I though it was mostly heresy (including the risk that has come true, that God's own words would be used in bibliomancy and the subtle idolatry of literalism) and political pamphlets.
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Post #5,132
8/14/01 3:48:58 PM
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Re: ObClarification
None needed.
Win brevity Award! :-\ufffd
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Post #5,193
8/14/01 8:39:16 PM
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You're right about Gutenburg.
He invented a way to make the printing press affordable.
Wade.
"All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
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