Actually its completely within their rights

Post #48,779 by tuberculosis 8/9/02 3:14:00 AM Reply	Actually its completely within their rights While I think that the record companies are scum and I like being able to find lyrics online and I think that the Beatles catalog should be entering public domain RSN, it is completely within their rights to prevent publishing of lyrics. For instance, I hear Jacko is short cash these days and in danger of having to sell the Beatles catalog to Sony (which is his label and which jointly owns the catalog with him. MJ suspects his last album was underpromoted to force a cash crisis and give Sony an opportunity to pressure him into selling his share of the catalog to them.) So our little fading king of pop decides to hire a literary type editor to publish Beatles lyrics as a book of poetry. Thats his right and you can argue that he may be harmed if his book sells less well because its content is freely available. I totally see his point. OTOH, the logos and album covers - if not too large and high resolution and properly attributed to their owners - should be allowed under fair use. After all, they are not really product in and of themselves and it seems only fair that if you want to write about an album you include a picture of what it looks like for context. So I'd say the first folx are pinheads. There has to be proper attribution though. I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
Post #48,890 by wharris2 8/9/02 9:16:28 PM Reply	Not nearly entering public domain At least according to the latest copyright extensions. It's something like 100 years now and climbing rapidly. You're right in that it "should" be entering the public domain, at least according to the U.S. Constitution's intent. It's always interesting to speculate what might have happened to the Constitution if Thomas Jefferson and friends had gotten a time machine delivery of a week's run of the New York Times (or name your poison) while working on it. The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
Post #48,906 by static 8/10/02 1:02:49 AM Reply	There is movement to fix that. Someone - I don't recall who - is trying to get the various copyright extension acts declared constitutionally null or something. If said person succeeds, a lot of things will suddenly be in the public domain - including, within a year or so, the famous Mouse himself. Googling will turn up something useful, I'm sure. Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #48,929 by wharris2 8/10/02 1:20:24 PM Reply	Yuppers on the fix But with Sony, RIAA, etc. lobbying out the wazoo, you think they have a chance? The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
Post #48,981 by static 8/11/02 1:59:38 AM Reply	You need an ACCC. Like [link\|http://www.accc.gov.au/\|ours]. Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #49,004 by Ashton 8/11/02 4:28:37 PM Reply	Dead Right-On, Wade! As with all the bitching & moaning (here and elsewhere) about the OBVIOUS corruption on all scales: Muricans always wait until we are IN a palpable Emergency.. to begin.. thinking about organizing a loyal opposition to - obvious corrupt trends. This is so IMhO re about everything you can attach a label to: Absurdly Expen$ive medical care, (with None for tens of millions!) - made so via armies of suited insurance, litigation and other highly-paid leeches, who eat hundreds of billions of our now trillion-$ health non-care 'Industry' (life? die? as industry?) HMOs are For-Profit Corprations: now the most lucrative ones, too. Ed-ja-Cay-shun - admins out the Ouzoo, religious litigation to indocrinate All in.. One Group's fav tenets, crumbling infrastructure etc. Prisons for Profit! (fastest growning CA industry today, last I heard) nuff said? ie. the trend is the cockamamie idea that; if only that Eevul Elected Govmint were replaced with CIEIOs doin all that stuff.. for Profit: why we'd have a Disneyland on Earth\ufffd [and.. we Would!] Yeah.. we decidedly need something like your ACCC. But every lobbyist in every hi-rise - will oppose any such thing, via DDT on any roots that might spring up. And they'll manage this via meaningless slogans as always seem to work just fine here. (I have a theory - that we have redefined what 'work' means here: moving papers around in an office is: everyone's Right today, to avoid anything which actually resembles physical effort, thought and perseverence. It's just a theory, but it can explain some of the pointlessness of many daily 'jobs' - especially the very Best-Paid ones.) Ashton ..and if your CCCA be mentioned as an example -?- why someone will opine, "well them Aussies are kinda backward.. it wouldn't be appropriate for our Advanced culture". Guess how many would find that convincing?
Post #49,041 by ben_tilly 8/12/02 6:29:31 AM Reply	Yes, because this isn't a lobby effort This is a [link\|http://eon.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/eldredvashcroft/cyber/\|lawsuit]. OTOH this is a lawsuit that goes before the same judges who decided to elect Bush... Cheers, Ben Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra (1930-2002)
Post #49,503 by tuberculosis 8/15/02 4:04:37 PM 8/21/07 5:47:28 AM Reply	Very cool Time to put copyright law back where it belongs. I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns. Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 05:47:28 AM EDT Expand All History

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