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New Try SouthWest Airlines...
They love hiring in a recession. In addition, they're the only airline making money.

Your Tuxedo/OLTP and COBOL would probably be valuable to them, along with airline experience. You'll need to move from the east to Dallas, TX, though.

If you get an interview, some tips.

1. Treat everyone nicely on the trip to the interview. You are being watched (by the ticket agent, gate agent, flight attendant). They put a comment in your reservation that you are coming for an interview and each person who meets you along the way adds feedback in the comments of your reservation. The People department looks at the feedback at the end of the reservation and decides if you're "nice" enough. Personality matters more than skills here.

2. Shave and get a haircut. You may think you look fine and that an employer "shouldn't" care about your looks, but they do. You need to look sharp and professional. I hate this, because personally, I'm in your camp. But most of the rest of the world doesn't agree that programmers should look like programmers.

3. It's not over when they hire you. Everyone from the badge lady to the people out front still watch you. It's kind of a stepford wives, thing, I think. I hated it, but now that I know about it, I could deal with "being watched" if I knew about it, but they didn't warn me when I was a contractor, and I got canned off of a project because I wasn't careful. I learned a valuable lesson.

4. What you look like matters. What time you come to work matters. What you say and do matter a lot. People are watching.

Glen Austin
New Heh.
An interesting suggestion, but I'm not moving from the Twin Cities. I'll take a help desk or PC/network support job here before I'll move.

(FWIW, I've turned down several potential positions in DC, FL, PA, etc., because they aren't local, as well as a fairly good shot at a position at United Airlines in Chicago. I have a house, friends, family, and a fiancee here that I don't wish to leave, and things aren't that tight yet.)
-Rich Steiner (OS/2 and Linux user in Eden Prairie, MN)
The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.
Expand Edited by rsteiner Aug. 4, 2002, 02:56:00 AM EDT
New You might check out the Seagate & such
[link|http://www.seagate.com/jobs|Seagate jobs]

They have facilities in Minneapolis and Shakopee. They do have some IT staff, but I'm not sure how much is at each facility. Some of their engineers are excellent.

Tony
New It's a thought -- I'll check it out.
From first glance at their site, they have various positions in Eden Prairie (where I am now), Bloomington (next suburb to the east of me), and Shakopee (next suburb to the south of me). Seems like optimal placement geographically. :-)
-Rich Steiner (OS/2 and Linux user in Eden Prairie, MN)
The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.
New Might try ING or Wells Fargo
I think they both have data centers in the Twin Cities.

Now a question. Are Minneapolis and St. Paul really twins? Probably about as much as Dallas and Ft. Worth. :^)

Glen Austin
New Not really...
Minneapolis is a more worldly artsy "big city" town, and St. Paul is a more laid back town. Neither one is very big, though. The Twin Cities metro area has almost 3 million people living in it now, but Minneapolis proper is less than 400,000, and St. Paul is less than 300,000. Suburbia reigns here. :-)

We have a lot of data centers here, and two years ago the tech marketplace here was quite good from a technology job seekers perspective.

Unfortunately, a lot of the larger employers around here like 3M, Unisys, NWA, Siemens, Qwest, etc., have been laying off, and many others are locked tight until the storm passes.
-Rich Steiner (OS/2 and Linux user in Eden Prairie, MN)
The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.
     Unemployed programmer seeking advice... (Is that all <g>) - (rsteiner) - (62)
         Your list looks OK - (wharris2) - (2)
             Good thoughts... Thanks! - (rsteiner) - (1)
                 c and perl on solaris and linux - (boxley)
         The "in thing" now is canning programmers - (tablizer) - (9)
             IT Rust Belt - by Bob Lewis - (tablizer) - (8)
                 Key point - (broomberg)
                 Writing code is *FUN* for me... - (rsteiner) - (6)
                     Ditto here. - (inthane-chan)
                     I love coding, BUT... - (gdaustin)
                     No slider widget for $ - (tablizer) - (3)
                         Re: No slider widget for $ - (rsteiner) - (2)
                             It isn't whether you mind it more... - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                 Heh... - (rsteiner)
         Re: Unemployed programmer seeking advice... - (admin) - (8)
             DB2 versus Oracle - (tablizer) - (1)
                 But tab - you're a shoe in! - (gdaustin)
             Where to get Oracle? - (lincoln) - (5)
                 Re: Where to get Oracle? - (admin) - (4)
                     Which is why I like Oracle - (orion) - (3)
                         unless you count time - (tablizer) - (2)
                             Overpaid DBAs? - (broomberg) - (1)
                                 One More Thing - (gdaustin)
         Not a bad list - (tuberculosis) - (2)
             nit fuel - (tablizer) - (1)
                 Yes but those people are wrong :-P -NT - (tuberculosis)
         Unsuprisingly I will suggest picking up a scripting language - (ben_tilly) - (5)
             Thanks, Ben... - (rsteiner) - (4)
                 Re: Thanks, Ben... - (broomberg) - (3)
                     Why not? - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                         Dunno - (broomberg) - (1)
                             Perhaps... - (ben_tilly)
         Teach? - (andread) - (1)
             Not for me, I'm afraid... - (rsteiner)
         Hi! - (deSitter) - (3)
             Requirements for the IT jobs - (orion)
             Hullo! - (rsteiner) - (1)
                 Boo Hoo OS/2 - (deSitter)
         My biased opinion: - (broomberg) - (16)
             Be Specific - (deSitter) - (2)
                 Re: Be Specific - (broomberg) - (1)
                     Danke -NT - (deSitter)
             Re: My biased opinion: - (rsteiner) - (3)
                 Re: My biased opinion: - (broomberg) - (2)
                     Only consider 'C' if you're interested in embedded prog. -NT - (tonytib) - (1)
                         C is still guts of lots of stuff - (wharris2)
             Don't master many, but at least be exposed to several? - (ben_tilly) - (8)
                 I wouldn't - (broomberg) - (7)
                     Query - (ben_tilly) - (6)
                         Poor example - (broomberg) - (5)
                             Haggling - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                 It's in my blood, I have to - (broomberg) - (3)
                                     I think you missed my reference - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                         Ahh, ye of little HR experience - (broomberg) - (1)
                                             I would like to believe... - (ben_tilly)
         Try SouthWest Airlines... - (gdaustin) - (5)
             Heh. - (rsteiner) - (4)
                 You might check out the Seagate & such - (tonytib) - (1)
                     It's a thought -- I'll check it out. - (rsteiner)
                 Might try ING or Wells Fargo - (gdaustin) - (1)
                     Not really... - (rsteiner)
         This made me think of you - (broomberg) - (1)
             Heh. :-) - (rsteiner)

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