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Post #47,822
by ben_tilly
8/2/02 6:49:01 AM
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New Kinda right
Physical force is a poor first choice for sure. (Tone of voice, etc.)

A poor second as well. (Timeouts etc.)

A poor n'th as long as reasonable alternatives for escalation exist at step n.

Eventually all discipline comes down to physical force. If nothing else, then force in the form of police officers and jails. However there is no need to be in a hurry to go to those limits, and the use of discipline should not be the primary focus of parenting. (IMHO of course.)

What is funny is how many people can hear and accept that this has been discovered to apply for, say, dogs but then won't accept that it applies to their own children...

Cheers,
Ben
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Post #47,839
by Ashton
8/2/02 10:44:50 AM
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New Slogans like, "spare the rod, spoil the child"
don't die any quicker than the other slogans - as defy original thought. I can see how the point about the dog might be grasped, and the point about a child missed. Can't you? Maybe 'empathy' is too loaded a term to describe a frequent lacking.

We are not inherently rational creatures IMhO, especially towards other creatures - I believe that is merely the hobby of a few. Notice how long it has taken to barely imagine.. the intelligence of whales, say. And til quite recently: of 'negroes'. Here anyway.

In many ways, small children are seen as 'negroes' too. (I believe they 'see' lots more than is credited, but lack the language - certainly exceptional ones make this manifest)


Ashton
Post #47,855
by orion
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8/2/02 12:56:11 PM
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New Difference between a dog and a child
when a dog pees on the rug, you rub its nose into it. You don't do that to a child. Children are also smarter than dogs, well mostly.
I am free now, to choose my own destiny.
Post #47,865
by deSitter
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8/2/02 2:03:50 PM
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New ok..
Agreed, you don't rub a kid's nose in it when he pees on your rug. You dunk his head in the toilet :)

-drl
     How not to raise brats or problem-childs? - (orion) - (26) - July 15, 2002, 06:42:01 PM EDT
         Parenting with Love and Logic - (Steve Lowe) - July 15, 2002, 11:14:49 PM EDT
         the golden rule - (boxley) - (1) - July 16, 2002, 11:30:22 AM EDT
             Or as my dad says - (orion) - July 16, 2002, 12:50:04 PM EDT
         Difficult question - (wharris2) - July 16, 2002, 02:31:14 PM EDT
         WHACK! - (deSitter) - (20) - July 29, 2002, 11:52:51 PM EDT
             Yup. - (Steve Lowe) - (16) - July 30, 2002, 12:40:03 PM EDT
                 Nope - (ben_tilly) - (15) - July 30, 2002, 09:02:20 PM EDT
                     Within limits - (drewk) - (3) - July 31, 2002, 08:10:31 AM EDT
                         You can get their attention more easily - (ben_tilly) - (2) - July 31, 2002, 09:09:51 PM EDT
                             OT: love your .sig - (Steve Lowe) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2002, 12:41:15 AM EDT
                                 Thanks - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 1, 2002, 06:46:21 AM EDT
                     Hmmyah... With one or two exceptions, I think[*] - (CRConrad) - (10) - July 31, 2002, 09:53:15 AM EDT
                         Rant On ! - (boxley) - July 31, 2002, 11:18:53 AM EDT
                         Exceptions - (orion) - July 31, 2002, 12:31:17 PM EDT
                         Not those exceptions - (ben_tilly) - (7) - July 31, 2002, 09:02:49 PM EDT
                             I think I see something. - (static) - (4) - Aug. 2, 2002, 12:53:00 AM EDT
                                 Kinda right - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Aug. 2, 2002, 06:49:01 AM EDT
                                     Slogans like, "spare the rod, spoil the child" - (Ashton) - Aug. 2, 2002, 10:44:50 AM EDT
                                     Difference between a dog and a child - (orion) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2002, 12:56:11 PM EDT
                                         ok.. - (deSitter) - Aug. 2, 2002, 02:03:50 PM EDT
                             Yes, exactly those exceptions. - (CRConrad) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2002, 05:34:53 PM EDT
                                 We have very different views of "acceptable" - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 2, 2002, 07:00:06 PM EDT
             do it out of love or fear but you WILL respect me - (boxley) - July 30, 2002, 12:14:53 PM EDT
             Has been done - (orion) - (1) - July 30, 2002, 09:05:25 PM EDT
                 The best thing is to set a good example - (ben_tilly) - July 30, 2002, 09:15:16 PM EDT
         OT: Uncle Tax - (orion) - July 31, 2002, 10:21:16 PM EDT

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