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New Re: My biased opinion:
The problem with Java is the HUGE amount of APIs
that you have to learn to be productive. You can
be operational with Perl in a few days, and be really
good in a month or so (if you were any good to start
with).

Java takes much longer. Let me add, though, I like
Java. I spent 2 days cramming for the Sun Java test,
with NO exposure to it before then, and failed by one
question. Imagine the idiots that lucked out the
same way and now claim to be programmers.

I tried it that way simply to get the cert since my
company is a Sun dealer, and I needed one additional
cert to maintain our authorization. Good thing I
failed. I then got to go to a Solaris kernel tuning
class instead.

I then spent about 3 months actually learning it,
for a paying project. I can't claim any expertise, and
very little experience now.

It seems there is a new set of APIs every week, depending
on the style of interface, network, database, etc, etc, etc.
But I was learning it in the days of the AWT to SWING
migration.

For quick data mangling is sucks, but as an alternative
to ANY M$ language, it's fine.

Don't bother with 'C' (says the old C programmer). If you
MUST go to that type of language, then go Java. If not,
go Perl.
New Only consider 'C' if you're interested in embedded prog.
New C is still guts of lots of stuff
Even C++ and Java and C# is C in disguise.
The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
     Unemployed programmer seeking advice... (Is that all <g>) - (rsteiner) - (62)
         Your list looks OK - (wharris2) - (2)
             Good thoughts... Thanks! - (rsteiner) - (1)
                 c and perl on solaris and linux - (boxley)
         The "in thing" now is canning programmers - (tablizer) - (9)
             IT Rust Belt - by Bob Lewis - (tablizer) - (8)
                 Key point - (broomberg)
                 Writing code is *FUN* for me... - (rsteiner) - (6)
                     Ditto here. - (inthane-chan)
                     I love coding, BUT... - (gdaustin)
                     No slider widget for $ - (tablizer) - (3)
                         Re: No slider widget for $ - (rsteiner) - (2)
                             It isn't whether you mind it more... - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                 Heh... - (rsteiner)
         Re: Unemployed programmer seeking advice... - (admin) - (8)
             DB2 versus Oracle - (tablizer) - (1)
                 But tab - you're a shoe in! - (gdaustin)
             Where to get Oracle? - (lincoln) - (5)
                 Re: Where to get Oracle? - (admin) - (4)
                     Which is why I like Oracle - (orion) - (3)
                         unless you count time - (tablizer) - (2)
                             Overpaid DBAs? - (broomberg) - (1)
                                 One More Thing - (gdaustin)
         Not a bad list - (tuberculosis) - (2)
             nit fuel - (tablizer) - (1)
                 Yes but those people are wrong :-P -NT - (tuberculosis)
         Unsuprisingly I will suggest picking up a scripting language - (ben_tilly) - (5)
             Thanks, Ben... - (rsteiner) - (4)
                 Re: Thanks, Ben... - (broomberg) - (3)
                     Why not? - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                         Dunno - (broomberg) - (1)
                             Perhaps... - (ben_tilly)
         Teach? - (andread) - (1)
             Not for me, I'm afraid... - (rsteiner)
         Hi! - (deSitter) - (3)
             Requirements for the IT jobs - (orion)
             Hullo! - (rsteiner) - (1)
                 Boo Hoo OS/2 - (deSitter)
         My biased opinion: - (broomberg) - (16)
             Be Specific - (deSitter) - (2)
                 Re: Be Specific - (broomberg) - (1)
                     Danke -NT - (deSitter)
             Re: My biased opinion: - (rsteiner) - (3)
                 Re: My biased opinion: - (broomberg) - (2)
                     Only consider 'C' if you're interested in embedded prog. -NT - (tonytib) - (1)
                         C is still guts of lots of stuff - (wharris2)
             Don't master many, but at least be exposed to several? - (ben_tilly) - (8)
                 I wouldn't - (broomberg) - (7)
                     Query - (ben_tilly) - (6)
                         Poor example - (broomberg) - (5)
                             Haggling - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                 It's in my blood, I have to - (broomberg) - (3)
                                     I think you missed my reference - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                         Ahh, ye of little HR experience - (broomberg) - (1)
                                             I would like to believe... - (ben_tilly)
         Try SouthWest Airlines... - (gdaustin) - (5)
             Heh. - (rsteiner) - (4)
                 You might check out the Seagate & such - (tonytib) - (1)
                     It's a thought -- I'll check it out. - (rsteiner)
                 Might try ING or Wells Fargo - (gdaustin) - (1)
                     Not really... - (rsteiner)
         This made me think of you - (broomberg) - (1)
             Heh. :-) - (rsteiner)

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